Billboard and Bullets and Soundscan Oh My! Cooking up the Charts
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Monday, September 15, 2008 - 17:19
Billboard and Bullets and Soundscan Oh My! Cooking up the Charts
"ahhhh, math. it never lies."
-- David Roland Cook
Welcome to the number nerd thread, official home for all-things charts related. While this thread is, by design, quite focused in terms of topic, it is rarely "just the facts ma'am." Here you will find all nature of Renaissance nerds (™CathyM-K), being effusive and emotional, pragmatic and poetic, inquisitive and inspired by David Cook and the numbers that serve as benchmarks throughout his career.
We are descended from the original and epic David Cook: You Had Me at Hello thread at TWoP, and are therefore sister-thread to the DWoP thread here at DCO. We are set in our TWoPPy ways and thus prefer a certain posting etiquette to make this thread as readable as possible: Please use proper sentence case (no all-caps or no-caps) and proper punctuation. Also, we prefer an image-free thread so please disable graphical sigs when posting, and use links instead of embedded photos. Snark is always accepted in conjunction with numerical analysis.
Chart-watching is a jargon-filled hobby, and we use a lot of different industry terms, acronyms, and nicknames that can take a little time to get comfortable with. If you're confused about anything you read here, check-out the handy CJT Glossary, maintained by FolkFan. Still not sure what the heck we're talking about? Just post a question to the thread, or send a PM to LadyM for clarification.
Here's what you can expect here:
- Mediabase updates on any tracks currently seeing radio airplay will be posted daily, with published chart positions released on Mondays.
- Album sales estimates from Hits Daily Double are posted Fridays, Mondays and Tuesdays as they come in.
- Official Soundscan sales reports for singles and albums are generally leaked on Wednesdays.
- Billboard Charts are published on Thursday and generally leak late Wednesday.
Any other day? Come join the party for insights and analysis on industry trends, promotional strategies, comparing/contrasting David's success to other artists and past Idols, etc. So break out your spreadsheets and your dog-eared copies of 'Billboard's Guide to Hot-100 Hits,' 'cause it's gonna get analytical up in here.
Some helpful general resources for the purposes of this discussion:
- A run-down of Billboard Chart Methodology
- Recurrent Rules for songs appearing on Billboard radio airplay charts.
- Mediabase rolling charts for Top-40, AC, HAC, Alternative, Mainstream Rock, Active Rock, and AAA radio formats.
- All Access (free membership required) for Mediabase summaries, Callout scores, Playlist adds, Spincrease charts, Future release dates, etc.
- Real-time feeds of the Top Songs, Top Albums, Top Videos, Top Songs (Pop), Top Albums (Pop), Top Songs (Rock), and Top Albums (Rock) on iTunes
- Hits Daily Double (source for industry news, weekly album sales estimates, Vibe-rators rankings, etc.)
- Radio Market Rankings and Station Format Listings (Courtesy of R&R)
- Contact info for PDs/MDs at Active/Mainstream Rock stations and CHR/HAC stations.
How are sales? Has he gone Gold or Platinum yet? How is he doing on the Billboard charts?
- Weekly Sales & Billboard Chart History for 'Time of My Life', 'Light On', 'Come Back to Me', 'Permanent', and David Cook (The Record).
- Sales vs. Airplay Trend Graphs for 'Time of My Life' and 'Light On'.
- Comprehensive sales history/rankings of Past Idol Albums (updated weekly or as numbers are available).
How is DC faring on the radio?
- David Cook's Yes.com Channel and the DCO Yes.com Chat Forum (Watch in real-time as TOML, LO, or CBTM are played across the country).
- Mediabase QuickCut Reports (summary of spins across all formats) for 'Time of My Life', 'Light On', 'Come Back to Me', and 'Bar-ba-Sol'.
- Mediabase Add Reports (real-time playlist adds and add history) for 'Time of My Life', 'Light On', 'Come Back to Me', and 'Bar-ba-Sol'.
- Queenjaclyn's Comparative Graph of Radio Trends for all DC Singles (currently tracking TOML and LO).
- MediaBase Request Form (replace the "XXXX" in your browser's address bar with the call letters of your target radio station (Radio-locator.com) and change "FM" to "AM" when appropriate)
- Request Come Back To Me on The Pulse (or 1-877-50-PULSE) and Sirius Hits 1 (or call 1-877-MY-HITS1). Request Bar-Ba-Sol on Sirius/XM Octane (or call 1-888-3-OCTANE).
Historical Charts/Graphs:
- Billboard Chart Positions & Sales Post AI7 Finale (David Cook's record-breaking assault on the Billboard Charts).
- Sales totals and Hot 100 chart history for all American Idol Coronation Singles (TOML = best-selling coronation song in Idol history).
- Queenjaclyn's Billboard Hot-100 Comparison Graph of all Idol Coronation Songs (TOML moved to recurrent 10/25/08).
- Sales & Billboard Chart History for DCTR Album Tracks.
- DC's position on 2008 End-of-Year Charts (includes Billboard, Mediabase, R&R, Soundscan, Google, and others).
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Weekly sales snapshot (numbers updated as leaked or reported):
Off-chart: DCTR - Last known total = 1,250,000
Off-chart: COME BACK TO ME - Last known total = 359,000
Off-chart: LIGHT ON - Last known total = 1,000,000
Off-chart: TIME OF MY LIFE - Last known total = 1,300,000
Off-chart: PERMANENT - Last known total = 167,104
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Comments for this Forum Topic
I'm hoping that we are seeing the start of a bump from Regis and Kelly:
iTunes:
DCTR - #550 (#95 Pop)
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #298 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)
Popular in these categories: (
#9 in Music > Alternative Rock > American Alternative > Post Grunge
#35 in Music > Pop > Adult Alternative
Amazon MP3:
DCTR - #140
(There's been no visible positive movement for any of David's singles yet.)
I no longer expect David to win any Grammys. DCTR is just not on the radar. I will love to be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. I think album number 2 could be the big one. If it's quality (I'm confident it will be), with a mix of great rock and pop/rock tracks, and has a CHR hit (or 2) while continuing to dominate HAC, with maybe 4 singles, I think you'll see David make waves in 2011.
Scott, yes. I totally concur. And would also love to be pleasantly surprised about the grammys. Would love a nomination but not even expecting that much. Don't want to be disappointed.
And now I eagerly await AI9 for two reasons: Ellen and David. Damn, they won't let me quit that show.
I don't usually come over here but yep, it's gone!
Holy crap! DWoP just went poof again! WTF?
ETA: Just read LS's post right below mine and want to say WOW! That's an impressive jump for DCTR...do you suppose it's because of the sale price, the appearance on R&K, or a combination of the two?
Listen captcha, you're getting on my last nerve!
ETA2: Nevermind...it's back. Weird...
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DCTR is $5 on Amazon MP3 today (along with Kelly, Archie, Jordin, and Brooke: it's an Idolpalooza!) The rank has jumped from #263 to #140.
I thought that I would do a baseline for us before Regis and Kelly, in hopes of seeing a bump later on (fingers crossed). Here are all the updated sales rankings:
Currently at iTunes:
David's album is #636 on the Top Albums list (#105 in Pop) on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topalbums/sf=...
CBTM is not on the Top 120 Music Videos list, while CBTM is #540 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=1...
In Pop, CBTM is #148, LO (Album) is #254 and TOML (Single) is #307 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=3...
Currently at Amazon:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #366 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music) (Down from #358 - Amazon's current sales price is $11.99)
#10 in Music > Alternative Rock > American Alternative > Post Grunge
#37 in Music > Pop > Adult Alternative
N/A in Rock
Amazon single MP3 Top download rankings:
CBTM - #246
LO (Album) - #829
TOML (Album) - #1,459
TOML (Single) - #2,261
Declaration - #6,577
Currently, at Walmart:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Sellers list
Walmart MP3 Downloads:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Album Downloads list (Down from #25), while CBTM is not on the Top 100 Song Downloads list
Currently, at Target:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list in Rock, and not on the Top Sellers list in Pop
Currently at Tower Records:
David's album is not on the Music Top 100 list
Currently at Best Buy:
David's album is #34 on the Best Selling list (Down from #31)
Currently at Borders:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers Top 150 list
Currently at FYE:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list
Currently at Barnes and Noble:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers list
VH1 Top 20 Countdown:
David does not currently have a video on the Countdown. It's time to look forward to the next single and video, and be ready to vote.
Link:
http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml
AOL Streaming counts toward the Billboard Hot 100, so let's stream big here!
Links:
http://music.aol.com/song/come-back-to-me/11560011==
This morning, DCTR starts at #660 with new releases generally being a full day early, and in some cases, about 9 last night. Wonder how Soundscan will count that? Windy is #523.
Last Day to Sign David’s Card Ends Today Monday the 23rd at 9pm Eastern time. Thanks.
I no longer expect David to win any Grammys. DCTR is just not on the radar. I will love to be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. I think album number 2 could be the big one. If it's quality (I'm confident it will be), with a mix of great rock and pop/rock tracks, and has a CHR hit (or 2) while continuing to dominate HAC, with maybe 4 singles, I think you'll see David make waves in 2011.
Good evening, y'all. Mediabase update for the week. Based on what I'm seeing for all three songs, I definitely think that we're seeing the effects of the annual Holiday Freeze. Windy seems to be handling it okay. Zenny is predictably philosophical about it. The Rainbow is, well, I believe I heard some weapons being sharpened.
CBTM Quickcut: Windy's weekly spins are 1754 and his weekly AI is 10.36 million. AC spins are 323, HAC spins are 1161, and CHR spins are 127.
LO Quickcut: Zenny's weekly spins are 1190 and his weekly AI is 5.27 million. AC spins are 240, HAC spins are 618, and CHR are 175.
Magic Rainbow Quickcut: The Rainbow's weekly AI fell below 7 million, to 6.48 million. He is officially bitter (well, as bitter as a song of fundamental hope can be) and vows pain for all those who are responsible. I heard a pack of Christmas songs running in fear. Yeah, y'all should run. Not that it will help y'all. The Rainbow can catch y'all. Just one of the pluses of being noncorporeal, and yet, so very martial. Anyway, his weekly spins are 1228, with AC dropping to 693 [exquisitely grizzled howl of fury], HAC is at 273, and CHR is at 234.
Ahem. Oh, btw, I've gotten confirmation that Mediabase is no longer acknowledging either that Radio Disney or Satellite spins have any audience. Yes, I know that's ridiculous. But it's the case.
AC: If the recurrency rules did not apply to any songs, Magic Rainbow would be #25, Windy would be #52, and Zenny would be #65.
HAC: If the recurrency rules did not apply to any songs, Windy would be #31, Zenny would be #62, and Magic Rainbow would be #128.
Country: Yeah, this cracks me up. Magic Rainbow is #306. [He got 3 country spins this week.]
Radio Disney: Zenny is #141, while Windy is #145.
Adult Hits: Zenny is #41, Windy is #60, and Magic Rainbow is #86.
@magicrainbow: Realistically, I should love the holiday season. I really am a song for all seasons, but especially holidays. So why does the holiday season keep attacking me? Growl. Snarl.
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Magic Rainbow thread.
I definitely agree that changing the rules during the voting season for an award is not the right thing to do. The rules should be set ahead before the end of the eligibility period.
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Magic Rainbow thread.
Now that iTunes has finally updated, it looks like David's music is moving in a positive direction there overall, as DCTR has moved up several notches, and LO has reappeared. Of course, I'm hoping to see some nice bumps for DCTR and Declaration, after Regis and Kelly tomorrow. Here are all the updated sales rankings:
Currently at iTunes:
David's album is #671 on the Top Albums list (#101 in Pop) on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topalbums/sf=...
CBTM is not on the Top 120 Music Videos list, while CBTM is #520 and LO (Album) is #970 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=3...
In Pop, CBTM is #127, LO (Album) is #214 and TOML (Single) is #250 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=1...
Currently at Amazon:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #358 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music) (Down from #341 - Amazon's current sales price is $11.99)
#10 in Music > Alternative Rock > American Alternative > Post Grunge
#38 in Music > Pop > Adult Alternative
N/A in Rock
Amazon single MP3 Top download rankings:
CBTM - #328
LO (Album) - #1,604
TOML (Single) - #2,082
TOML (Album) - #2,328
Declaration - #6,668
Currently, at Walmart:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Sellers list
Walmart MP3 Downloads:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Album Downloads list (Down from #25), while CBTM is not on the Top 100 Song Downloads list
Currently, at Target:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list in Rock, and not on the Top Sellers list in Pop
Currently at Tower Records:
David's album is not on the Music Top 100 list
Currently at Best Buy:
David's album is #31 on the Best Selling list (Up from #32)
Currently at Borders:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers Top 150 list
Currently at FYE:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list
Currently at Barnes and Noble:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers list
VH1 Top 20 Countdown:
David does not currently have a video on the Countdown. It's time to look forward to the next single and video, and be ready to vote.
Link:
http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml
AOL Streaming counts toward the Billboard Hot 100, so let's stream big here!
Links:
http://music.aol.com/song/come-back-to-me/11560011==
What? Is Lady Gaga not going to win an award otherwise? Will her career end if this doesn't happen? How "new" is she anyway? I feel like I've been hearing about her for a while.
Sounds to me like the rules will be changed for Lady Gaga and whoever else is not eligible this year who fits the criteria so they will fit into the category. Sucks doesn't it? But we have no control over these things so if the criteria is widened it really is more of a crapshot than ever.
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When I was at the Regis and Kelly taping today they introduced David by saying, "Here's David Cook singing his hit song Declaration."
I was hoping that meant something (probably just wishful thinking)
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The quote only mentions that the committee will meet sometime in the future in consideration of changing the rules, doesn't mean they will change the rules this second and doesn't mean that Lady Gaga is going to get nominated for BNA. If they were going to change the rules it would make sense to do it before the submission process, and Lady Gaga was not submitted in that category, so that would be yet another hoop and rule to break.
Any exposure for any DCTR song is fantastic but I'm not sure a CHR dance party is the best place to get BBS played. even if they played it once it is extremely unlikely that would lead to any sort of traction. But you all are free to do whatever you want to help the songs.
Why not change the rulz for her. Just like they seem to do for HEWHOSHALLNOTBENAMED! But I will cry BS and email/comment at them repeatedly. What a joke. If they do that, they lose all respect from me.
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Hey number nerds,
Popping in with this little news story. Seems that the Grammy powers that be are considering changing the rules so that Lady Gaga can compete for the BNA. Frankly, I think it's BS to change the rules just because there's a favorite out there.
http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/22/lady-gaga-grammy-best-new-artist-elig...
Looking forward to seeing some nice Regis & Kelly bumps tomorrow.
I have been wondering if we could get Bar-ba-sol onto Open House Party. Our favorite 'stripper song' fits in perfectly with hours of dance music. Open House Party will play non-released versions of songs, so it should not be an issue that BBS was not released to CHR. It would really be a question of whether they would play a David Cook song they have not heard before.
Outside of 1 apparent syndicated spin*, I know of 11 stations that have ever played BBS**. Two of those 11 stations are Rhythmic or CHR, plus the college station WBSU has a playlist that looks like CHR or Rhythmic/CHR.
KBFM - Rhythmic - McAllen, TX - Plays it occasionally recently.
WACC - College - Enfield, CT - Played BBS regularly April-June, and occasionally recently.
WBSU - College - Brockport, NY - Plays it occasionally recently. (ranked 134 on yes)
KCRadio - Internet - Kansas City, MO - Plays it several times a week. (ranked 112 on yes)
KATT - Active Rock - Oklahoma City, OK - Played it at least once, in April.
KFRQ - Active Rock - McAllen, TX - Played it regularly in April and May.
KLAL - CHR/Top40 - Little Rock, AR - Played it at least once, in May.
WIIL - Active Rock - Chicago, IL - Played it at least once, in April.
WJCU - College - Cleveland, OH - Played at least once, in April.
WRTT - Active Rock - Huntsville, Al - Played it at least once, in April.
WYBB - Active Rock - Charleston, SC - Played it at least a few times in April and May.
* On June 22, there was apparently a syndicated spin of Bar-ba-sol where the following 17 stations all played it once. But as far as I know none of them played it again:
KKPN, WIHB, KZMG, XHTO, WBHT, KKSN, KRUE, KTYL, WOOD, WCHY, KDLW, KHKS, WTWR, WLTO, WPTE, KXXM, KFMK,
** My information is mostly from yes.com, so I have no information about stations that are not monitored by yes.com.
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DCTR is still at #756 this morning on a supposedly current feed on iTunes, which looks suspicious for not having changed at all. Windy is at #557.
Dropping off this tidbit. Bar Ba Sol got a spin tonight on KBFM Edinburg TX, top 40 station. We saw it on the yes.com channel and we all squeed a little. This station plays mostly hip-hop, by the way.
I have two reactions, actually:
1. Squees along with everyone else.
2. Hip-hop? WTF? Did BBS wander into the wrong bar again?
I'll squee a little with you on that Barbasol spin! FYI - Edinburg is in far south Texas, near McAllen and the Mexican border.
Numbers? 5006 people online right now.
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Dropping off this tidbit. Bar Ba Sol got a spin tonight on KBFM Edinburg TX, top 40 station. We saw it on the yes.com channel and we all squeed a little. This station plays mostly hip-hop, by the way.
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Does anyone think that David will release an EP before the next album?
Thank you FolkFan and Antul! Looking just at the instances where David actually performed, I see Declaration as a close second to LO. I had thought he played both LO and Declaration NYE 2008. But neither of you have that listed.
LO and Declaration were performed for: SNL, GMA (only partial of DECL aired), Kimmel, AMA (only snippet of DECL aired). Plus LO was played on R&K on one occasion and a partial of it aired on a different occasion when CBTM was played.
LO and not Declaration was performed for: Leno, Ellen, NYE
Declaration and not LO was performed for: Home Run Derby
So if Declaration is indeed played on R&K this Monday, then it will have had only 1 fewer TV performance than LO. I am counting 5 performances for CBTM (AI, Ellen, R&K, Jimmy Fallon, GMA).
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"Have some faith in me and I'll let you be who you need to be."
Given the importance of new releases and the popularity of Holiday music this time of year, it probably shouldn't be too surprising that DCTR has taken a big hit at iTunes and Best Buy. Nevertheless, it has still managed to improve its standing at Amazon today. Here are all the updated sales rankings:
Currently at iTunes:
David's album is #756 on the Top Albums list (#103 in Pop) on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topalbums/sf=...
CBTM is not on the Top 120 Music Videos list, while CBTM is #557 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=3...
In Pop, CBTM is #132, LO (Album) is #270 and TOML (Single) is #311 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=1...
Currently at Amazon:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #341 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music) (Up from #439 - Amazon's current sales price is $11.99)
#9 in Music > Alternative Rock > American Alternative > Post Grunge
#38 in Music > Pop > Adult Alternative
N/A in Rock
Amazon single MP3 Top download rankings:
CBTM - #495
LO (Album) - #1,296
TOML (Single) - #1,102
TOML (Album) - #1,556
Currently, at Walmart:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Sellers list
Walmart MP3 Downloads:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Album Downloads list (Down from #25), while CBTM is not on the Top 100 Song Downloads list
Currently, at Target:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list in Rock, and not on the Top Sellers list in Pop
Currently at Tower Records:
David's album is not on the Music Top 100 list
Currently at Best Buy:
David's album is #32 on the Best Selling list (Down from #30)
Currently at Borders:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers Top 150 list
Currently at FYE:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list
Currently at Barnes and Noble:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers list
VH1 Top 20 Countdown:
David does not currently have a video on the Countdown. It's time to look forward to the next single and video, and be ready to vote.
Link:
http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml
AOL Streaming counts toward the Billboard Hot 100, so let's stream big here!
Links:
http://music.aol.com/song/come-back-to-me/11560011==
Web Nerds, please fix the spam filter again. Thanks.
TV appearences of tommy that i recall:
SNL-full
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k3a9b5fSptXW2SQ5c2
AMA pre show-just a snippet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iSIKYv2w2s&feature=related
Jimmy Kimmel-snippet (end of show/credits) min 5:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDW_rk9hHIA
GMA-full (although the broadcast was messed up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE9zZcos5fg
Home Run Derby-full
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9CHwJaGoYE
the last time he was on R&K he did CBTM but when he was introduced they played a snippet of declaration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik0oCWpu1VU
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mbpAwake: It's pretty close between Heroes and Declaration on that count:
http://www.davidcookofficial.com/us/blog/dc-tvinternet-performances-and-...
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Magic Rainbow thread.
Does anyone here know if Declaration is the song David has played the most, or second most, for TV appearances?
Early on, whenever he could play 2 songs, he would play both Light On and Declaration. Then this summer, before the Baseball game, he played Declaration and Heroes. Now he is reportedly performing Declaration on Regis and Kelly on Monday.
I have missed a lot of the TV appearances, so I am really not sure. I know there were a number of other appearances where he just played Light On, but I expect there were also other appearances where he played Declaration and other songs without playing Light On. I am thinking he has performed Declaration on TV more often than Come Back to Me, but I could be wrong about that too.
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I really like that quote, Sky. It certainly isn't easy to have hits on any format especially from new artists. I can't even think of what other song from Gavin Rossdale charted so it must have been a mild hit.
This is a article about Eric Hutchinson but it has a good quote about David in it: http://www.antimusic.com/news/09/nov/20Eric_Hutchinson_EP_Coming.shtml
Quote: "OK, It's Alright With Me," a Top 5 hit at Triple A radio earlier this year, is now climbing the charts at the Hot AC format, where it's already #31* after only a month. Hutchinson joins Gavin Rossdale, David Cook and Lady GaGa in the short list of new artists to have a second single chart at Hot AC in 2009.
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sky1234
There are so many new CDs out, often with multiple versions, that are charting high in their first few weeks. Charting always being within a context, it likely takes more "extra" sales to climb up the itunes chart or even to maintain your status. I anticipate a pretty big hit this weekend, as the new CDs for next week will go for sale a day earlier, meaning that you'll have a bunch of new CDs on Monday, with CDs from the past week only being 6 days old. It will also likely impact the songs rankings, as multiple non-single-tracks from these various new CDs hit the song charts.
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Magic Rainbow thread.
DCTR is down to #832 this morning, but I wouldn't make too much of that. Again, below a certain level of sales I believe large differences in rank can translate into much less significant differences in actual sales than you might think. Maybe only a few hundred less than before, I imagine. I am still puzzled by it, especially after the recent epic shows, but I don't take it to be that meaningful, still. I wonder if the Christmas music intruding is having an impact? Windy is #557.
I suspect we will be tracking Declaration sales after Monday and Lie sales after the Carrie show. Never fear, charters, these should both generate something to watch! Even if they are not singles per se, I suspect they will generate some sales that will be visible. I just put up a recap of last night on the tour thread, BTW! Thanks to HappyDance and QueenJ for your enabling!
Friday, November 20, 2009 - 23:38
tinawina:
Come on 19... announce something else for us to dissect marketing-wise. Throw us a bone, will ya!
For real. I keep thinking if I were to ASSUME that Mr. Cook's management team has made some missteps, LOL...and then actually decided to "Man Up", what measures might we see to fix it.
My list is long. But the first three go like this:
-Quickly release a new single off DCTR with appropriate promo.
-Promise of a third AND fourth album for Mr. Cook IN WRITING. (Paybacks are a mother.)
-A genuine, honest to god, push into the rock market for an UNEDITED version of Bar-ba-sol. So anything David releases in the future will be accepted.
Sooo, RCA/19, go now, and have these three items done by next week, please. You'll make me a very, happy David Cook Fan.
I really need him to perform another new song. I'm getting antsy here. I have to have something to track. I can't occupy myself with Season 8 forever. Damn you Dave!
Come on 19... announce something else for us to dissect marketing-wise. Throw us a bone, will ya!
**pouts in the corner**
Although DCTR has experienced a sharp downturn at iTunes today, it has again moved up at Amazon. Here are all the updated sales rankings:
Currently at iTunes:
David's album is #605 on the Top Albums list (#90 in Pop) on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topalbums/sf=...
CBTM is not on the Top 120 Music Videos list, while CBTM is #571 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=4...
In Pop, CBTM is #134, LO (Album) is #281 and TOML (Single) is #340 on the Top Songs list on this feed:
http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=2...
Currently at Amazon:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #439 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music) (Up from #497 - Amazon's current sales price is $11.99)
#10 in Music > Alternative Rock > American Alternative > Post Grunge
#49 in Music > Pop > Adult Alternative
N/A in Rock
Amazon single MP3 Top download rankings:
CBTM - #436
LO (Album) - #823
TOML (Single) - #1,820
TOML (Album) - #1,637
Currently, at Walmart:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Sellers list
Walmart MP3 Downloads:
David's exclusive track album is not on the Top Album Downloads list (Down from #25), while CBTM is not on the Top 100 Song Downloads list
Currently, at Target:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list in Rock, and not on the Top Sellers list in Pop
Currently at Tower Records:
David's album is not on the Music Top 100 list
Currently at Best Buy:
David's album is #30 on the Best Selling list (Down from #28)
Currently at Borders:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers Top 150 list
Currently at FYE:
David's album is not on the Top Sellers list
Currently at Barnes and Noble:
David's album is not on the Music Bestsellers list
VH1 Top 20 Countdown:
David does not currently have a video on the Countdown. It's time to look forward to the next single and video, and be ready to vote.
Link:
http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml
AOL Streaming counts toward the Billboard Hot 100, so let's stream big here!
Links:
http://music.aol.com/song/come-back-to-me/11560011==
Attn Web Nerds: The spam filter issue is back once again.
I also think that, as far as CJT is concerned, we should all think when raising comparisons: does this shed any light on DC's present or future? Because, realistically, that's what CJT's core mission is: to discuss DC's chart history, present, and future, and the strategies that may apply to DC and his music in the future. For example, Carrie, like Taylor Swift before her, did an itunes strategy where she released itunes singles for a few weeks in a row before her album release---only one of which was her actual lead radio single. Then, people who bought those singles could complete the album when it went on sale at the beginning of November. Is that strategy better than, say, an itunes pass or a preorder with bonus track in terms of creating excitement and sales?
Similarly, Daughtry recently appeared on the CMAs, and his record and the (non-radio-single) song that he performed got boosts. This is relevant to the issue that we've discussed, that DC staying rock but also touching on country could be a benefit to him.
To me, these are the kinds of Idol comparisons that are relevant to DC at this stage in his career, now that he's not the newbie, so to speak. And they strike me as both fruitful and interesting topics, but also core CJT. YMMV.
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CJT Glossary.
Magic Rainbow thread.
I echo FolkFan's sentiments about fanwaring. Already seeing it on Twitter and seaping into DWoP today. I think comparisons are relevant and fine. Judgements and long posts about annoyances are best left elsewhere, IMO. I just remember us comparing David to previous Idols and discussing the expectations heaped upon them. So in that light, we should feel free to do the same with this year's guys, and look at that JBJ article for some sage perspective. But please! No fanwaring!
I want David to release more singles from THIS album! I want! I want! Breathe Tonight, Avalanche, Permanent! Come on! I want!
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Squirrellygirl