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Tue, 12/02/2008 - 01:44 — FolkFan

After an obscure chart rule sent the TWoP thread to recurrency, all threads moved up one spot, with the surprisingly strong Chart Thread moving up to #2. People seriously underestimated the Chart Thread's appeal on DCO/Pop. However, a new strong contender, TWoP 2.0 has sprung onto the chart. In its first day since it was released and went for adds, it has already leapt to #17 on the chart. Clearly one to watch.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 09:38 — ladymadonna

C'mon little Charts Thread that could! We're currently moving up the chart a bit slower than the thread at #1 (a weekly postcrease of 378 vs. 718 for the Shackettes). So we may peak at #2 on DCO, but based on current trends my predictive model has us hitting Platinum (newly redefined by the RIAA due to the downtrend in the music industry as 10,000 posts) by the week ending May 31st.

Personally though, I'd rather make a thread that is important, that will be remembered in 20 years, then to get a lot of posts right out of the gate. I know it's inevitable that we will be compared to other threads, but we're in a completely different genre and have a completely different audience. Our thread is all about substance and credibility, while their thread is filled with manufactured, bubblegum posts (no offense - their thread is cute and I wish it well in their career).

Slow and steady wins the race.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 09:42 — Downer

RCA is paying DCO to keep your thread. Your thread will be dropped by Christmas. It's all about posts and this a one is loser......an anchor and you're going down. You better start a new thread Now!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 10:28 — FolkFan

I wonder---if we fill out enough mediabase forms, maybe get ghost mouse to post for us while we sleep, etc., is there any chance that we could get a better postcrease? However, the use of malware does not seem to fit with the general ethos of the Chart Thread. In all events, I hope that this doesn't sound arrogant, but it is my most fervent hope that when people talk about this era in music discussion boards 20 years from now, that they mention the Chart Thread.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 10:47 — Scott

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 09:42 — Downer
RCA is paying DCO to keep your thread. Your thread will be dropped by Christmas. It's all about posts and this a one is loser......an anchor and you're going down. You better start a new thread Now!

That was a like wonderful "MJ Moment!"

I'm so torn. I feel like a fan of both Davids, who cannot pick a favorite. I'm a permanent resident of TWOP thread and a prolific poster there (sorry to all of you who have to suffer through that daily), but I also live here. This was the first place I came when TWOP 1.5 went poof! I had no where else to turn. You all took me in until the Red Cross trailer opened. I cannot pick one over the other. Apples/Oranges. Charts and TWOP are different genres and market in different ways. They have different rules. Again, apples/oranges.
Can't we all just get along? Both threads are really good friends and admire one another. They would be upset to find their readers competing like this.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 10:56 — Scott

Fan war breaking out on the Charts thread. TWOP has been challenged. I must remain neutral being a resident of both realms. I tried to calm things down. I apples/oranged everyone, but deaf ears I'm affraid. Is it game on? (I'm such an instigator!)

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 10:57 — TherapyForMe

Scott, maybe it would make you feel better if you knew that the chart thread is the sister to the TWoP thread. Originally all this info was buried in the TWoP thread and we decided to make an offshoot which ended up being the chart thread. LM used to do this chart stuff at original recipe twop, so it was only natural for her to start this one. At least, that's how I remember it.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 10:57 — Gingerly

FolkFan for the win (not even acronymed for emphasis) in her never ending quest for who rules the charts. I looked on Yes.com to vote for us, but we must be on unmonitored stations...The best news is we won't be going recurrent soon.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:01 — FolkFan

My, Scott, that sounded so reasonable. I think that what's really going on is that you are trying to make excuses for your favored thread barely breaking 300 posts when the Chart Thread here has over 4,000. What's that you say? Chart Thread has months of extra time in its favor, while TWoP 2.0 has an undeniable pop hook that's snagging delurkers left and right? Well, we'll see how it all pans out on the chart.

In DCO/Pop chart news, the Shackettes remain at #1 and Chart Thread at #2. (Checks obscure chart rules to see if there's any chance that the Shackettes could go recurrent.... Maybe Chart Thread should do a video featuring bouncy Dave? That could help.) TWoP 2.0 moves up to #15, with a bullet. The five in front of it look like easy picking for a pass, so I could easily see it as top 10 material in the near term.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:03 — picklesprite

Okay, Downer, lol!, who are you, really?

Scott, Scott, do we not carry our love for the Rainbow in one hand and our hope for the Light in our other hand? Of course we do! Can we not do the same with Charts and Twop2.0? Yes, we can! And are we not glad we don't need a third hand?

Do I not wish to strangle HDD? Why, yes, I do, but I can't, since both hands are busy.

ETA: Therapy4Me, noooooooo!!!! You brought the virus here!!!! So laughing.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:14 — cinmc

I will not get into a fanwar, I've managed to stay out of them up to this point and I love both threads equally. Now, if one thread would like to make a bouncy video I might choose sides.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:17 — kaydeecee

OK, Evil Scott, I'll play:

Well, I wish only the best for the Charts thread, of course, but really, I'm pretty happy that TWOP now has a lot less posts then Charts. You know why, because now there's just *so much pressure* on that thread and it'll be pretty easy to be disappointed because of those high expectations. In fact, I was reading Charts today, and it all just sort the same. It's so numbery and full of facts. I don't know, it's just not what I expected. I'm sure its fans will like it and all, though.

I just don't see it reaching many new posters. It sort of reminds me of that Mediabase request thread that *started out* really popular and then completely fell off the front page really fast. I think that thread is on Broadway now.

Also, everyone know that first week postnumbers don't really matter. What matters is how much we post by Christmas, unless they still have more posts by then, and in that case, what matters is how many posts we have by the end of next year.

Now that TWOP has so few posts, it's just so much easier to grow! I'm so relieved we have fewer posts, really.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:32 — FolkFan

I knew that a bouncy Dave video could be a winning strategy. Let me see if I can locate Wayne Isham's contact information....

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:53 — TherapyForMe

Have any of you read that article where LM thinks the chart thread is important? I mean, really, what arrogance! To have the audacity to suggest that in 20 years anyone will even mention that chart thread is the epitome of delusional.

Everyone knows that longevity is the key here. Sure, we're not at the top of the chart now but just you wait. I would rather rise slowly and be at no.1 in 4 months than zoom up there and drop like a rock.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 12:07 — FolkFan

Tsk, tsk, TherapyForMe. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. Just because TWoP 1.0 won in Davember doesn't mean that TWoP 2.0 is going to be a hit on the DCO/Pop charts. People keep underestimating the Chart Thread, and yet its voice is do pure! And it makes such a numerical connection to people! I don't understand why everyone can't 'see that. [Watches Chart Thread's AOL Sessions again and rejoices in fact that Chart Thread uses same moves that it did on Idol, including the tummy grip.]

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 12:20 — TherapyForMe

Well sure, Folkfan, if you want rote, "by the numbers" performances, I guess the chart thread would be for you. I personally prefer the spontaneous artistry in the TWoP thread. Every post is different, and unpredictable.

Look, it's not like I wish the chart thread any ill will. I don't, it's a cute little kid. It's just that I'm not sure there is a market for that genre in the real world.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 12:27 — Jai_S

The Chart thread is artistry. It takes a fine-tuned mind to appreciate the analysis. It has staying power.

The TWOP thread is sheer pop for the fickle masses. So the question is will the masses still buy TWOP version 2.0? Or will you see a decrease as other pop threads tease away readers?

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 12:28 — FolkFan

Well, Chart Thread has already been asked to do numbers analysis for next Christmas's batch of holiday songs. Can TWoP 2.0 say that its label has shown that kind of faith? I didn't think so. It's not like TWoP 2.0 could possibly make a profit. I mean, you didn't really think that all of those links to that photo were free, did you? The label is paying for them to bolster your postcrease.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 12:31 — Janus

Rumor on Pulse is the Fanbase thread is making a video and is certain to overtake Shackettes as the thread to beat. They've hired Joseph Kahn, director of Britney's soft po....uh... Womanizer video to direct. It's sure to be top 40 thread hit, which is what matters to the label because hit threads are what sell the website.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 12:37 — TherapyForMe

Oh, wow! A Christmas Album. You mean the thinly disguised marketing ploy to make an artist appear more successful than he actually is? Pardon me, but I prefer knowing that TWoP has been given creative control over it's product. You rarely see that kind of faith in a brand new thread by DCO.

FWIW, it's JMO

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:12 — bigelow

Oh, dear. The TWoP thread has now gone too far. I'm sure the Chart thread is much too savvy and pure to discuss anything political like Happy Christmas, War Is Over.

But, you know, even if the Chart thread did happen to spill an opinion on a controversial issue, there is no one in the world who can resist the Chart thread's adorable, innocent, pre-teen Chartuglow.

The only possible conclusion is that the Chart thread can really discuss Happy Christmas, War Is Over all it wants, because it's got thread immunity 4-eva based on its UNDENIABLE adorableness and IRRESISTIBLE appeal.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:22 — queenjacyln

One thing we've over looked is how much it costs to run this thread. We have quite a few people here who are bloating the payroll and thats not even accounting for the expense of accessing our numbers sites. The silly twop 2.0 thread just pulls people off the street to post there and their video took 5 minutes to make and get put on the internet. While our video took 15 days of 24 continuous shooting and then 1534 people had to contribute to editing the bouncy. So unless we hit 40k posts there is no way we are going to recoup our costs and we'll get shut down by Easter. I hope you guys had fun, I did too, but this is a sinking ship and pretty soon nobody will have any use for numbers. We'll have to find a new hobby. Serves us right for following an anchor around.

Seriously, I am rolling on the floor this morning cracking up. FF, you are made of total win, and everyone else who contributed to the hilarity.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:26 — kitkat

I've been monitoring the TWoP thread at Yes.com and it is getting great spincrease. However, I think we need to consider the real competition is the Shackettes thread and the Fanbase thread, not just the Chart thread, which is like a younger brother to TWoP. I think the Chart thread is cheating with the uncharacteristic use of the pretty links. Kind of like a ghost mouse. Are there any polls we can vote on??

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:38 — sky1234

Since I am a confirmed chwoper I say stop this fanwar now. We have a link to them at the top of this thread and really guys they do like each other I have read them complementing each other multiple times. I love them both and I just hate it when people fanwar. Can't we all just get along. Plus we brought them this."

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:41 — leastlikely

OMFG! The cookroll makes to the freakin' charts thread? Is nowhere safe!! Ack! ::runs and hides::

But, if we adjust the number of posts in the charts threads by the proportional amount of posts that occurred in 2006, the charts thread total posts would be an infinite number (since no posts occurred in 2006, thus dividing by zero), and therefore the charts thread is clearly smacking down the TWoP 2.0 thread.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:42 — G-Marie

Comparing the numbers and charts thread and the TWoP thread is like comparing apples and oranges as each has a different target audience and appeals to different people for different reasons. There is a bit of crossover appeal as fans of one of the threads can often be seen posting on the other. However, one of the threads is bit like one of those pop acts from the 80's who had a few hits on the radio which sound vaguely familiar to you but you can't quite recall the name of the band. The other thread is like those classic rock albums from the seventies that you pull out again and again to enjoy repeatedly. Not only do you know the bands' names but you also recall the names of many of the members of those bands.

How can you say that numbers have staying power when they so quickly become obsolete. After all who cares about yesterday's numbers after the fact. All people really care about is how the numbers look today and only if they are looking better. When the numbers start declining, as they eventually will, people will lose interest, the thread will become depressing and the only way the thread will be able to retain readers and posters will be to have a new and exciting single to chart about.

Words on the other hand are timeless. How else can you explain the strange compulsion many new to the TWoPer thread at the end of AI7 felt to go back to the very beginning and read every. single. post. Or the desperate need many feel to preserve the the wit and whimsy of this thread by saving it in separate blogs to be savored again and again. Or the incredible angst felt by so many at the loss of the epic recounting of the month that was Davember. Yes, so much was lost by that sad, inadvertent click of the mouse and yet much was saved by dedicated fans and much will live on in our collective memories. The TWoPer thread is historic. It is epic. It is important. In 20 years fans looking back at David's incredible career will be drawn to the TWoPer thread for its loving, witty and snarky documentation of all the incredible events in David's life. The numbers and charts thread, not so much. About that they will only remember that, yes, David sure did have a lot of hits back then.

TWoP 2.0, the premature second release from the famous TWoPers, will quickly climb the charts to once again become a #1hit here at Dave!Central. But it will not be a flash in the pan. It will be an album with staying power that will be discussed for years to come.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 13:45 — TherapyForMe

Besides, the chart thread started it.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:24 — Scott

QJ: The silly twop 2.0 thread just pulls people off the street to post there and their video took 5 minutes to make and get put on the internet.

HEY! I resemble that remark.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:26 — Scott

Oh, I just found something out! You cannot explain to co-workers, a friendly battle between two threads on a rock star's official website. Trust me. Blank stares.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:30 — leastlikely

The chart thread only has posts because it is getting massive amounts of promotion from RCA, which is desperate to have a hit thread. They also brought in top notch writers (FolkFan et al) and producers (ladymadonna) to bolster the thread, which otherwise would clearly be an epic fail. Also, I heard they actually referred to the charts thread as a "winner", which is completely unfair, if not actually unethical.

ETA: The TWoP 2.0 thread also has the first platinum single

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:32 — swaggeroffools

At least the numbers thread didn't make fangirls cry and then repeatedly point out the video on youtube like the twop thread did. I hope that thread gets sued. I'm a lawyer, you know, specializing in internet lawsuits. I know how this all works and I'll happily represent them. They're going down. I hope they're ready to pay up.

Well, at least I tried to get in on the action.

I'm home sick and I'm refreshing the HDD page. Update so I can nap!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:37 — queenjacyln

Oooooh good times, good times. I can't even begin to articulate or thank so I'll just leave it at that. I love the official name for our war "numbers vs. words" Who will ever win that battle? I'm completely enthralled.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:50 — FolkFan

The rank jealousy poured toward the Chart Thread is disconcerting. And it makes Dave angry. Have you seen the callout for Chart Thread? It's through the roof on all major formats! And don't try to claim that this is us stuffing the ballot box, so to speak, at ratethemusic.com---TWoP 2.0 is doing the same thing.

That said, I'm not sure why we're fighting so much amongst ourselves. If, in fact, the fanbase thread has hired Britney's producer to create another soft po... er, music video, that could change all of the analyses. No one factored in an expanded fanbase thread.

Oh, and Scott and Therapy For Me started the war, and I have the updated blog post to prove it.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:54 — Janus

I read Lady Madonna say (on TWoP 1.0) that she considered this thread a waste of time now and could no longer hang out here. She is very smug with the her numbery numbers. Therapy 4Me is so smart and humble and she built this thread on purity and passion for her thread. She really feels the emotion of the thread. I can tell by the way she grasps her spleen when she types. The Masterclass Lady says she's never seen an OP with such pure technical skill at such a early age as T4M.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 14:59 — kaydeecee

Pssst . . . The Charts thread doesn't shave.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:02 — FolkFan

Why, oh why, do fans of TWoP 2.0 persist on making everything personal. I mean, did you read the profile of Chart Thread done by Entertainment Weekly? Practically made me cry. EW gave Chart Thread a much better review than it gave TWoP 2.0, and EW also named Chart Thread a breakout star for 2008. You're just jealous because EW loves Chart Thread and called TWoP 2.0 an emotionally-stunted dwarf. EW is entitled to its opinions just like anyone else.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:03 — bigelow

Maybe Quietly will show up in concert. A girl can dream.

I can't believe anyone cared what EW said about ChartThread or TWoP 1.0 or 2.0 because EW is so clearly BIAS. (Yes, I said BIAS. My Chartuglow people say BIAS. They know that past participles are just BIAS.)

Now, Vulture from the New York Mag (is that where it's from?), that's a primo media site with no bias whatsoever. Pure as the ChartThread, that Vulture, who knows a good thread when he vomits one up.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:03 — Scott

I didn't start the fire.
It was always (well already) burning...
I just added some passive aggressive fuel. And came running over here to TWOP and told on everyone.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:04 — leastlikely

Well, the charts thread may in fact have a higher chart placement at the current time, but the TWoP 2.0 thread's spincrease is climbing at a brisk pace. Also, I heard the TWoP 2.0 thread was rated #1 at Vibe Raters.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:05 — Scott

I'm waiting for some unsuscpecting soul to come in here (or there) and take this seriously and get upset and make a stern post. I think we will all lose it! WHERE THE HELL IS HDD ALREADY?!!
And I'm a postho and proud. So there.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:08 — PeachMango

You know, I'm a fan of both threads and this stupid fanwarring has to stop. The TWoP and Charts threads obviously respect each other a lot, as evidenced by the number of DCO members crossposting on both threads. Second, both have bigger things to worry about than who's got the better postcrease numbers or where they end up on the Threadplay charts. They're up against the big boys now -- like the Fanbase thread and the Shackettes, for example -- and all this fanwarring is bringing them both down. As we all know, both threads have got to gain fans beyond the Words and Numbers bubble and the only way to do that is for their posters to behave with more maturity.

And stop it PLEASE with all this talk about TWoP getting DROPPED by RCA. Yeah, sure, TWoP 1.0 wasn't out for very long, but it was pretty much played out after the first 18,000 posts (which was #1 across all formats BTW) so the label felt it had to release a new thread. Sorry to vent but I felt that this thread was just getting too one-sided.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:13 — FolkFan

Well, kaydeecee, America just loves to vote for purported losers who don't shave.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:13 — swaggeroffools

Of course, marketing is a sure sign of desperation. Just look at all the ads that the twop thread had to put out.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:16 — Jai_S

You chwopers are being naive. TWOP is evil. TWOP is busy plotting against Chart thread and is just playing nice in order to get you to increase its postcount. When it has achieved its goal, it will just stomp Chart thread's heart.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:17 — TherapyForMe

Folkfan, I said the chart thread started it. Those posts were, in fact, made in the chart thread.

A troll? Well, I never.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:19 — bigelow

Where are the damn numbers? I am thisclose to abandoning Team Chart Thread and jumping onto Team TWoP 2.0. I know it's the Chart Thread's fault for not shaving and making little girls cry, and that is why the HDD numbers are so freaking late. Damn Chart Thread wore the slutty pants and stole the teal drapes and is so mean and evil as it conspires against the innocent children who follow the TWoP thread. I mean, COME ON. We're talking CHILDREN here. How could you, Chart Thread? Have you no shame whatsoever?

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:21 — FolkFan

Bigelow, those were clearly child actors hired by TWoP 2.0 to try to make us look bad. Did you see the overly dramatic, yet perfectly timed drop to the knees that one allegedly heartbroken children did? I'd love to know how many times they rehearsed that---must have cost TWoP Thread a bundle.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:23 — sky1234

As a proud chwoper I can say that twop has no such designs. It looks at the Chart thread as its long lost little sister. We are really just family now everyone must sing kumbaya. We all must remember that David is singing "Happy Christmas (War is over)" tomorrow so he agrees.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:23 — swaggeroffools

Don't abandon us! Obviously TWOP is sabotaging HDD. It was going to have the pimp spot and the orchestra (along with its update) but nooo. TWOP stole it to make themselves look good and now look at us.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:23 — PeachMango

EW gave Chart Thread a much better review than it gave TWoP 2.0, and EW also named Chart Thread a breakout star for 2008. You're just jealous because EW loves Chart Thread and called TWoP 2.0 an emotionally-stunted dwarf. EW is entitled to its opinions just like anyone else.

It amazes me how many Chart Thread fans feel the need to go into the TWoP 2.0 thread just to post nasty comments about it. I mean, I'm primarily a fan of TWoP though I think the Chart Thread is cute and adorable (just not into the numbers genre so you'll never see me buy its CD) but you don't see me going into the Chart Thread to thrash it. I mean, if you don't like it, why bother going into it. I've got better things to do with my time.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:24 — kcarlson61

Hysterical with laughter. This war of the forum topics with go down in David Cook history. As somone said earlier it will be called the War between the words and the numbers. Long live the topics and may the best win.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:25 — FolkFan

Note to self: Chart Thread needs anti-troll devices, maybe some pesticide....

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:25 — G-Marie

I just went to the Postone Thread of the Year poll and TWoP 2.0 is not even up for consideration while the Chart and Numbers Thread is listed twice. There must have been some serious cheating going on to get TWoP 2.0 listing replaced with the second Chart and Numbers listing. Anyone can see that by combining the number of posts in the TWoP 2.0 introductory single with the TWoP 2.0 Album single that TWoP 2.0 clearly debuted in the Top 10 of threads here at Dave!Central. And this is against many well established singles such as FanBase, Shackettes, Busted, International Gifting, and Addicted to Yes. And they accuse us of cheating?

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:27 — kitkat

Someone needs to moderate the comments on these two threads, the posters are getting out of hand.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:29 — Nono

someone's enjoying the fanwars backstage.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:31 — sky1234

As a chwoper I have suggested in the chart thread that we all sing kumbaya and reminded everyone that David is singing Happy Christmas (War is Over) so he agrees. Everyone now bury the hatchet, smoke the peace pipe(that would be fun), hug and sing either above song.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:31 — kitkat

Imagine some poor newbie visiting this thread or the chart thread for the first time today. How to explain????

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:35 — mujerfeliz2008

Use in case of need help?

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:37 — annie702

Guys, please stop bashing the charts thread. Why the constant need to tear down those perceived as a threat? You're just jealous.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:39 — bigelow

This contains quotes from the numbers thread but I brought it back over here where it might be more appreciated.

Did you see the overly dramatic, yet perfectly timed drop to the knees that one allegedly heartbroken children did? I'd love to know how many times they rehearsed that---must have cost TWoP Thread a bundle.

And that is exactly why it doesn't matter how many posts the TWoP Thread squeezes out of its overextended, multiple-post-posting fans because it will NEVER turn a post profit now that it has recklessly overspent in every direction. You absolutely have to subtract each and every one of those reckless posts and take off a hundred for each overpaid child actor before you start looking at the totals. YOU HAVE TO, BEEYOTCH, BECAUSE I SAID SO.

Obviously TWOP is sabotaging HDD. It was going to have the pimp spot and the orchestra (along with its update) but nooo. TWOP stole it to make themselves look good and now look at us.

Not only the orchestra and the pimp spot and the update, but I heard the Chart Thread's postal coach say on the radio (so you know it had to be true) that the Chart Thread was all set to post Yo Face, but TPTB stole it away and let TWoP have it instead, and the Chart Thread had to post some inferior Face by Dan Fogelberg instead.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:42 — swaggeroffools

Gasp! You quoted me! Don't you know that makes the TWoP an unoriginal hack that just rips off other people's quotes without giving them credit while everyone praises it for being so unique and original!? I don't care that you offset it, thus indicating that it wasn't yours, by putting it in italics! It wasn't enough!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:43 — queenjacyln

I have to add one more thing, I seriously can't resist. But you people just don't understand the purity and light of the Chart James Thread. CJT will take over the world one number at a time and to deny it is just being ignorant. You can have your silly little title of most posts or whatever it was that you won. But in the real world its all about numbers and CJT is going to change the face of all internets posting for all of eternity. Just you wait. There will be entire forums dedicated to numbers, maybe even our own reality show. Its epic and its coming.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:46 — TherapyForMe

bigelow, I just want to point out that the twop thread would never tell you to take it somewhere else. Just sayin.

QJ, keep dreaming about your world domination.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:53 — FolkFan

I have to break from character for a moment to applaud queenj's "Chart James Thread." That made me laugh about as much as I laugh when I see the comments posted all over the internet that inspired your snark.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:53 — bigelow

Oh my dear god, QJ, I am dying here. You gave Chart Thread a middle name. You gave Chart Thread a middle name!

I wish I could laugh at least part of my butt off, but it doesn't seem to work that way. So I'll just keep chortling (I hate that word) over Chart James Thread, the new messiah, changing the world one syrupy, message-laden number at a time.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:54 — SUE

oh and those numbers were posted in TWOP first

Just sayin

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:03 — ariadne

You gave Chart Thread a middle name. You gave Chart Thread a middle name!

Does that make this the TWoP Roland Thread?

And are those Charte thread fans called ChartAngels?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:05 — FolkFan

Yeah? But the numbers were posted better in the Chart Thread, including analysis and the update that followed on the heels of that one.

Also, I'm not sure when Chart Thread stopped being treated as the doppelganger for DC, but I'm not happy about it.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:12 — TherapyForMe

Jumping out of character to post:

Folkfan: Also, I'm not sure when Chart Thread stopped being treated as the doppelganger for DC, but I'm not happy about it.

I'm pretty sure it was when QJ gave it a middle name. *snort* I am still LMAO over the pure hilarity of that post and the brilliance of the mocking contained therein.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:14 — the_real_ladymadonna

I read Lady Madonna say (on TWoP 1.0) that she considered this thread a waste of time now and could no longer hang out here. She is very smug with the her numbery numbers.

Some TWoP thread troll is impersonating me!!! I am the REAL ladymadonna so don't believe anything that other imposter says. Clearly all these anti-Chart comments are from TWoPpers just stirring the pot.

P.S. Me, smug? Um....sorry, but I think you need to read Jacob's rules on smugness:

Don't start your posts with "um" or "uh" or words like that. Nine times out of ten, those words precede a snotty correction directed at another poster. It's rude and dismissive and it drives the staff nuts, so please, don't do it. The same goes for "sorry, but..." and "excuse me, but..." and, really, any other snitty post-starter. If you can't talk to other people as if they're intelligent, you can't post. Don't talk down to your fellow posters, don't lecture them, and don't state your opinion as fact.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:17 — kellygee

I really wish someone could help me understand why this whole "numbers vs words" thing continues to be a debate. I mean, the competition is over, we all know who won. I guess it's just easier for the media to keep rolling with "headline" rather than do any real journalism.

It's just so sad that they keep getting pitted against each other. Especially since we know that both threads are actually very fond of one another and seem to genuinely want each other to do well.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:24 — Scott

This from the Chart-Fart thread (including my reply). Remember this when Ms. Jai Thang shows up:

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:21 — Scott
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 15:16 — Jai_S
You chwopers are being naive. TWOP is evil. TWOP is busy plotting against Chart thread and is just playing nice in order to get you to increase its postcount. When it has achieved its goal, it will just stomp Chart thread's heart.

Well you certainly made yourself at home over at TWOP thread, day after day, Ms. Jai Thang. Taking advantage of all the hospitality over there. Why, TWOP offered a less angsty speculation on things and this is how you repay. Ingrate. I say that with love.

ETA: I just remembered I'm sort of a chwop. I didn't mean the fart part. Honest.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:29 — cinmc

Good Lawd we get punchy while waiting for updates. Which finally happened even though we aren't sure how to interpret them.

My favorite part is how the "hero" and the "villain" change depending on which thread you are in. I am seriously having trouble breathing I am laughing so hard. Don't you people care about my allergies?

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:30 — sourwoodmtn

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:17 — kellygee
I really wish someone could help me understand why this whole "numbers vs words" thing continues to be a debate. I mean, the competition is over, we all know who won. I guess it's just easier for the media to keep rolling with "headline" rather than do any real journalism.

Well, clearly, Sony and HDD have concocted a scheme where, under the guise of neutrality, they allow threads to snipe at each other in an increasingly transparent attempt to up their page views.

And of course, it's working. I've heard that Excelforum.com and the OED online are getting increased hits as well.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:34 — waving feather
It's just so sad that they keep getting pitted against each other. Especially since we know that both threads are actually very fond of one another and seem to genuinely want each other to do well.

I beg to differ. Chart James has always promoted TWOP 2.0 and given it props. You can clearly see that in Chart James' thread header But Chart James is just a footnote to TWOP 2.0. Clearly, TWOP 2.0 has a chip on its shoulders. YMMV.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:42 — Scott

That looks like a universal problem Janus. I think there's a unilateral cease-fire going on at Chart James. Angst, interpretation and speculation have taken over. It's HDD HELL!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:45 — G-Marie

Scott - Step away from the Chart Thread! All you are doing is prolonging the Thread-wars and increasing their post count. Not to mention their Viewer Impressions.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:51 — FolkFan

If you look at the title of the corresponding blog, you'll see that it was always predicted that thread wars would end when there were numbers on which to chew.

Numbers uber alles.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:52 — TherapyForMe

I'd just like to point out that TWoP Refugee 2.0 is now up to #10 on the all time DCO chart.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:53 — the_real_ladymadonna

Not to mention their Viewer Impressions.

Neither of these threads is going to see significant increases in VI until they get added by Z-100 or KIIS-FM.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:00 — TherapyForMe

Waving feather:
I beg to differ. Chart James has always promoted TWOP 2.0 and given it props. You can clearly see that in Chart James' thread header But Chart James is just a footnote to TWOP 2.0. Clearly, TWOP 2.0 has a chip on its shoulders. YMMV.

While this is technically true, the twop thread promoted the chart thread right from the beginning. For a long time the chart thread was the only "artist" twop thread supported. CJT is a "johnny come lately" with it's support.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:03 — Scott

CJT is a "johnny come lately" with it's support.

LOL. TfM, I bet that was a sentence you never thought you'd say or write!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:04 — G-Marie

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:52 — TherapyForMe
I'd just like to point out that TWoP Refugee 2.0 is now up to #10 on the all time DCO chart.

Yes, but if you add in the 210 posts of the introductory single TWoP 2.0(AKA Red Cross-Gimme Shelter) you have a total of about 674 posts which places TWoP 2.0 at #7 on the Charts soon to pass VH1 Top 20 Countdown thread with a current total of 678 posts for a placement of #6.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:07 — bigelow

G-Marie:
Yes, but if you add in the 210 posts of the introductory single TWoP 2.0(AKA Red Cross-Gimme Shelter) you have a total of about 674 posts which places TWoP 2.0 at #7 on the Charts soon to pass VH1 Top 20 Countdown thread with a current total of 678 posts for a placement of #6.

Are you using pre-orders in your calculations???

I KNOW you are.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:07 — TherapyForMe

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:04 — G-Marie
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 16:52 — TherapyForMe
I'd just like to point out that TWoP Refugee 2.0 is now up to #10 on the all time DCO chart.

Yes, but if you add in the 210 posts of the introductory single TWoP 2.0(AKA Red Cross-Gimme Shelter) you have a total of about 674 posts which places TWoP 2.0 at #7 on the Charts soon to pass VH1 Top 20 Countdown thread with a current total of 678 posts for a placement of #6.

Word!

True that, Scott!

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:11 — bigelow

In my attempt to hide from ChartJamesThread and its angst, I am falling in love with Come Back to Me. Like, in a big way. It was the one song, including all bonuses, that I had not really warmed up to. And here I am, head over heels for CBTM.

Na-oooooh, ooooh, ooooh, ooooh...

Signed,

Goner

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:11 — G-Marie

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:05 — Scott
Unless.... Josh in the hands of the enemy. Say it ain't so!

OH NO!! What if the Evil Chart Threaders are wooing him away as we post. TWoP may never be recovered to be safely archived away but be instead permanently obliterated into tiny bits to float off into the vast depths of the internet.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:26 — FolkFan

Oh, and no, you don't get to include the posts from TWoP 1.5 in TWoP 2.0's numbers. They are separate threads. [Slams DCO/Pop Chart Rulebook closed with authority.]

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:28 — swaggeroffools

I am sort of eh about the drop-off percentage and that makes me worry a bit (sorry!) but I am so amused that it looks like he out-sold Axl.

However...y'all are talking numbers in the TWoP thread. Obviously the numbers' greatness cannot be ignored. You have been Chartified.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:31 — ToniW

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. This is David's site and he wouldn't want his threads fighting like this. I've never posted in this thread before and I know that my opinion would not be welcomed here, so I'm just going to post this hit and run and then I will never darken your doorstep again. TWoP 2.0 FTW. Ha ha.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:52 — G-Marie

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:26 — FolkFan
Oh, and no, you don't get to include the posts from TWoP 1.5 in TWoP 2.0's numbers. They are separate threads. [Slams DCO/Pop Chart Rulebook closed with authority.]

That's like saying you can't combine singles or explicit versions with the album version of a song for total numbers but that is done all the time. Clearly the posts that went into TWoP(Red Cross-Gimme Shelter) were intended for TWoP 2.0 as the other TWoP Thread no longer exists. And who made you keeper of the DCO/Pop Chart Rulebook anyway? Let me see that book. It looks like a fake to me.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 18:04 — ladymadonna

That's like saying you can't combine singles or explicit versions with the album version of a song for total numbers but that is done all the time.

Umm....Not all the time. Only on certain charts. Billboard's Hot Digital Singles chart combines all versions. The Hot Digital Tracks chart, however, considers all versions to be separate entities. Perhaps if you spent a little more time on the ChartJames thread, you might learn a thing or three.

(And yes, I would consider this reply intensely smug and ban-worthy on all counts. But war is ugly. Take no prisoners).

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 18:06 — FolkFan

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:52 — G-Marie

And who made you keeper of the DCO/Pop Chart Rulebook anyway? Let me see that book. It looks like a fake to me.

Of course the Chart Thread has control of the Chart Rulebook---that's inherent in the very concept of "the Chart Thread." Didn't know that when you chose sides, did you? [Chuckles in superior fashion.] Ah, you Wordies. [Further chuckles.]

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 18:07 — kitkat

I think any comparison of threads should be restricted to the output of one week at most. Comparing entire history with different start times is a little crazy! I wonder if we have a count since the new thread here started yesterday???? (for both threads)

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 18:11 — TherapyForMe

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 17:28 — swaggeroffools

However...y'all are talking numbers in the TWoP thread. Obviously the numbers' greatness cannot be ignored. You have been Chartified.

That is because we are multi-dimensional. We can do this and we can do that. It's what comes from not being hung up on one narrow point of view. We cross all genres and appeal to a wider population.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 18:11 — FolkFan

[Checks rule book.] Nope. That's not how we roll. [Pats 4,000 post cushion]

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 18:29 — ladymadonna

That is because we are multi-dimensional. We can do this and we can do that. It's what comes from not being hung up on one narrow point of view. We cross all genres and appeal to a wider population.

And our laser-like focus inherently generates fewer fluff-posts. So we are back to where we started, at apples/oranges.

Wait a minute...when did I take sides here? I have been an active supporter and participant in all things TWoP since Dave slayed me with All Right Now. And then, at the suggestion of THIS VERY THREAD (well actually, its progenitor), I create a new sister-thread, while maintaining the original mission, customs, and spirit of the original TWoP. And now we are at war? Must I paraphrase our esteemed President-elect in order to end the madness that has engulfed us?

It is that promise that's always set this thread apart, that through hard work and sacrifice each of us can pursue our individual dreams, but still come together as one DCO family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams, as well.

Tue, 12/02/2008 - 19:56 — LilMissTherapy

UR JUST JELUS CUZ YOU NOW U CANT COMPARE TO THE AWSOMNESS TAHT IS THE OTHER THRED!!!!1111!!!!1!!1!11!!!!one!!!eleven!!!!!

(p.s. I know we kissed and made up, but I was in school for the duration so I couldn't resist contributing.)