The Rockin' Grandmas
I have to say this somewhere, because I'd be ashamed of myself it I were to remain silent. It's about the discussion I've read here, some of which I understand was deleted, about the Rockin' Grandmas at the Ameristar and at the concert.
I happen to belong to that group though I mostly think of myself as a DCOer or DWoPer. It's where used to go before DCO and the only thing that kept me at the Dash, though by now most of the communication is through email. They are a very warm and supportive group but they can also be a very enthusiastic group and there are entirely too many emails for my still rather busy schedule so I honestly have to say that I embarked on the KC get together with a certain amount of anticipatory trepidation.
Someone who knew that I was a member of the R-G group asked me to try to get the women NOT to wear their T-shirts because that's "not appropriate" for a rock concert and it would be bad for David's credibility. The concern was that our being visible would be a problem for David. At first I really bought into this and was strategizing whether and how I might influence the group to lay low. Then one of the group, someone whom I've really grown to respect for her thoughtfulness and kindness, reminded me of my own ageism post. She had just run into it on a google search, totally by accident.( http://www.davidcookofficial.com/blog/raising-age-issue) She also reminded me that the shirt had been the project of one of the grandmas who made it happen at a very difficult time in her life. For many living on fixed incomes traveling to the concert was a significant investment, but David and the community had come to mean so much it was worthwhile. How could I even consider doing/saying something to rain on that parade? I knew in my heart that she was right. My head was still somewhat anxious, but I couldn't do what was asked. I couldn't do to the group what our culture had/has done to this, (my) generation of women from the beginning.
Then, after getting home from KC, I started reading what was left of the posts about the R-Gs in the DWoP thread. Wow, I could see how much the ridicule of the older woman remains a popular cultural prejudice. I saw that some posters partly identified with the group but distanced themselves at the same time. Perhaps the group wasn't rock concert "cool", but it was a hell of a lot fun. I only hope that those who shuddered at the thought of our group being a visible presence at KC have a similar opportunity when they get to our age. At some point, warm becomes more important than "cool".
Thank you Angie, for your supportive post.
Fri, 04/24/2009 - 10:07 — Angie
As you may or may not know, a group of WONDERFUL women (and YES, they are some of the much maligned Rockin' Grannies, so watch what you say about them to me folks) offered me a ticket in the second row on Neal's side of the stage. THEY are the ones who enabled my capturing of these videos from such a great vantage point.
Now, one of them has offered to buy my ticket to Tulsa in exchange for a ride and a place to stay, so I may be getting into my car and driving to Tulsa today and attending the Tulsa concert tomorrow night.
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Known by his fans? I think not.
I wasn't able to read all the posts on this topic du jour as I too was in KC enjoying myself to the max along with follia and all the other rockin' grandmas but I heard enough about the deleted posts and read most of the ones that remain to get the drift.
Let me see if I have it right - having fewer fans is better than having the "wrong" kind 'cause potential fans will be turned off if some of his current fans aren't young enough or cool enough? Ah, yes, I see. One has to be a fan of the fans before one can become a fan because, well, The Voice and The Music and everything else that's wonderful about Mr. Cook aren't sufficient reasons to be a fan. His fans must be the right kind.
What a complete and utter disservice to David to discourage anyone from being a fan for that is exactly what ridicule and bullying accomplish. The notion that the rockin' grandmas are going to somehow "Clay-Aiken" David is proposterous. Mr. Aiken will never have the kind of success David will have and it's not because he has the "wrong'" kind of fans. It's because he doesn't have ENOUGH fans.
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I just picked up a book called "The Five Priciniples of Ageless LIving written by Dayle Haddon...only on page 5 but I couldn't get back here fast enough to post a quote: "We are in the midst of what I call The Age Quake." Consider it. Some sixty million women in the United States are over the age of forty. Sixty million vital, powerful women who have helped shape the last thirty years-and more-are now over the age of forty. And we are a force to be reckoned with. We've been elected to office and we've flown into space. We've been appointed to the Supreme Court and we've broken down barriers. We've raised children and we've raised hell."
Now what performer would want to exclude 60 million potential fans and buyers of their music? I doubt there are any.
I know that there are many other women out there that have had their love of music re-awakened by David Cook. And I think that for many that re-awakening extends to sex, new friends and a whole new outlook on life. I say, "you go, girl" to everyone that wants to attend a concert and wear whatever you want to wear.
I wish that "Cougar" sign had never shown up at AI last year. Society seems to think it is OK and even encourage older men to look at/lust over younger women but for some reason the same thing doesn't hold true for women. .I still have my eyesight and can still appreciate a good looking guy. I had a friend ask me recently if I still didn't feel like I was 23. And my answer was yes. (Unfortunately, the outside doesn't exactly match the inside anymore. ha!)
And another thing
Sun, 04/26/2009 - 10:56 — amberbear
I've learned that David and team acknowledged the Rocking Grandmas. I won't say what or how, it's not my place. But apparently David is not ashamed of this demographic. Some of the more vocal fans need to get over their idea of what an "ideal" fan is. A fan is just that. A fan.
Doesn't it make sense that someone who has gone from playing in bars to 5 people to platinum-selling status and playing sold out shows nearly every night would appreciate any and all fans of whatever age they happen to be? And one of the RGs told me last summer at an Idol show that David's own Grandma was one of them, that she posted at least once a day in that thread at the Dash. So I'm sure they hold a special place in his heart.
I think the fact that the press seems to like taking digs at the age of some of David's fans is what actually gets us upset. I know it does me. But we should direct our criticisms at the lazy writers, not at each other. As fans of David, his music and his band, we all have something in common. Since we are supportive of Dave & the EEB, maybe we could try to be supportive of each other too.
YMMV, of course.
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Thanks For This Reminder
I am not a grandma yet, but could be, and I never gave a thought to my age when going to see any musical act until David Cook. I think it is because there has been so much media coverage of "Cougars" being his largest fan contingent, along with the stigma of fanatic AI fans. Concern over how David is percieved by the media and general public may be valid, but I never, ever, think anyone should NOT go to a concert of any artist they enjoy. And I also believe David is the last person to ever be ashamed of anyone being a fan.
Had to respond to this one...
Hi Rockin Grandmas! I think I've posted maybe 2 or 3 replies to topics here. I had to respond to this one. I was at Ameristar and saw you guys...ummmm...ladies! Honestly, my first reaction to the Rockin' Grandmas shirts was "ewwwww...ummmmmmmm...OK, kinda cool!" I realized as soon as I thought "OK that is kinda weird!" that I qualify! hahahahaha! I am old enough to be any of those boys' mom and I'm old enough to be a grandma. I know people who were quite a bit younger than I am now when they became grandparents. My friend who went to KC (and the Tulsa Idol show with me) is 50+. I don't think WE are weirdos! So. ROCK ON, Grandmas Who Love Cook!
If I am still listening to him in 20 years, which I hope is true, I'll be well over 60, almost 70. And I will still love him and his music. I hope so anyway.
May I also comment that I really do not like being called a Cougar [for Cook]. "Cougar," to me, implies PREDATOR and PREY, amongst other things. Mr. Cook is not prey. I'm not a predator. He's not a boy-toy and I'm not a sugar-mama. I think all those things imply a lack of respect in some way. I just don't like it. I'm kinda liking Rockin' Grandmas better. Who cares how old we are? Do we have to fill out an application to be a fan and have it appoved by somebody? WhatEVAH. Why can't I love him as much as an 18 year old does? Or a 27 year old? Or a 47 year old? Or a 72 year old? I guess some people think it's "icky" to think of an older woman "loving" Cook. Well don't think about it! I don't know what you're thinking anyway...hahahahaha!
So much you didn't say
I've learned that David and team acknowledged the Rocking Grandmas. I won't say what or how, it's not my place. But apparently David is not ashamed of this demographic. Some of the more vocal fans need to get over their idea of what an "ideal" fan is. A fan is just that. A fan.
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And never regret anything that made you smile.
Okay, now I feel bad
And I ought to, since I am not a grandma yet but certainly old enough to be one. (I was born when my own grandmother was ten years younger than I am now.)
Ageism isn't just for the young; it's for those of us afraid that we will be called old too. Shame on us.
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SybilT
The DWoPer formerly known as SybilTrelawney and briefly known as 12thCylon
This makes me sad
Why do you and others, who don't seem to fit the "rock fan" profile, have to defend themselves?
These young people don't understand that it was our generation who paved this road that David is on.
Dammit, we have just as much right to be fans as they do, and if you want to shout it from the mountain tops, then do it. I'll even loan you my megaphone.
I'm getting really tired of fans telling other fans (and David) what to do and what not to do.
I'm beginning to think that it's more about what makes them comfortable, than it is about what is good for David.
They need to just shut up and listen to the music.
I'm glad you had a good time
Sometimes the emphasis on appearance is overrated. I'm overweight myself, as well as old enough to be his mother, and struggle with the desire to see Dave & Co live, being labeled as an undesirable element, and detrimental to his career if I go. I end up reassuring myself that David is the least judgmental person I "know", and is happy to have people of all ages interested in him.
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