ALL ABOUT THE LYRICS: The Wordnerdy Half of the Songwriting Coin

ALL ABOUT THE LYRICS: The Wordnerdy Half of the Songwriting Coin

By popular demand, I present All About the Lyrics, intended as a permanent home for discussion/deconstruction of the words in David Cook’s music. (This includes David’s own work and his work with collaborators.) All About the Lyrics provides a forum for observations, criticisms and feelings regarding the words, spanning work from Axium, “Analog Heart,” the “lost album,” DCTR, and all future releases. Discussion must be limited to work that has been published, recorded and/or performed. (Discussion of leaked material/snippets will not be allowed, by the expressed direction of TPTB.)

Potential subjects for discussion include:

* What the words ARE (in absence of definitive text from the author)
* Themes of particular songs, as well as common themes in the body of work
* Use of metaphor and simile
* Use of compositional techniques such as rhyme (end rhyme, internal rhyme), meter, alliteration and so on
* The influence or possible influence of lyrical collaborators
* The potential meaning(s) of songs
* Citations of interviews where David discusses his process/thoughts regarding the creation of lyrics

Please limit your citations of lyrics to portions being discussed, rather than always quoting the entire song, unless the entire song is relevant to your post. This will help make the length of posts more manageable.

Because there is obviously significant overlap with our sister thread, All About the Music, I direct you there for relevant information regarding David’s musical influences, as well as covers he’s selected to sing.

I launch this enterprise with enthusiasm, but also with sympathy for the guy whose work is the subject of scrutiny. In his own words from a recent interview: “The lyrics have to be perfect.” With such an attitude, he’s clearly invested. You don’t have to love everything he writes, but – respect for the writer will be required here.

And finally, a cautionary tale about deconstruction, particularly in terms of figuring out what a song is “about” or where it “came from.” It’s risky business to wade in these waters, and it’s good to remember that very often, opinions regarding “what it’s about” say more about the observer than the subject. If he author does not choose to make an overt explanation, then it’s “about” whatever you, as the listener, make it to be. I am entertained by the following passage by the novelist, critic and author C.S. Lewis. In discussing critical analysis of one of his essays, about which the critics were putting forth varied theories regarding Lewis’ process, influences and feelings, he said:

Reviewers, both friendly and hostile, will dash you off such histories with great confidence; will tell you what public events had directed the author’s mind to this or that, what other authors had influenced him, what his overall intention was, what sort of audience he principally addressed, why – and when – he did everything….

My impression is that in the whole of my experience not one of these guesses has on any one point been right; the method shows a record of 100% failure. You would expect that by mere chance they would hit as often as they miss. But it is my impression that they do no such thing…. As I have not kept a careful record, my mere impression may be mistaken. What I think I can say with certainty is that they are usually wrong.

Nevertheless. Analysis is fun, and is a compliment to the writer if done with this caveat in mind. So, once more into the breach, dear wordnerdy friends!!! Analyze away!!!

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Resources (general)

Transcribed lyrics for This Loud Morning album, confirmed against album liner notes.

Link to music/lyrics from DCTR here at DCO. Recently reappeared after absence. Still problematic.

http://www.davidcookofficial.com/us/music/david-cook

Unofficial lyrics compilation by the fans at the DC42 forum,, as well as their consensus regarding differences between their analysis and the lyrics once posted at DCO. Documents courtesy of ellemarie.

UNofficial UNconfirmed lyrics c/o CookiesBR

DCTR lyrics at Cherry Lane Music Group, David's publisher, of yet-unverified authenticity

Unofficial discography, extensive, chronological, by DCO regular QTTaquito

Unofficial discography, extensive, alpha order by writer/co-writer, by DCO regular QTTaquito

Analysis of imagery and recurring themes in the lyrics, as blogged by Sharon C with input from annie702

Unreleased songs from fall 2013 David Cook tour (as transcribed by DCO members)

Resources (individual songs)

"Permanent" analysis by the folks at the d-c.org forum, aka "The Dash"
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Comments (1471)

Nah, Nina, you are not the only one.

I find REM to be such a sad song. I think because it is so desperate -- and unlike Circadian, where the 'mayday' cry seems to think that someone might actually be able to help, with REM I just get the picture of this endless cycle of the desire to escape and the impossibility of making the escape last. Because there is, of course, no getting back to a time that is past with a beloved one who is gone. It's just "stuck in this pattern evermore of sink or swim."

The oxygen line, I have puzzled over for a while. What it seems to be saying is that staying awake -- breathing the 'awake' oxygen rather than sinking into the sleep/dream state -- is killing memories he does not want to let go of. Maybe that just the daily routines of life are making him feel distanced from his loved one, even more than any condolences or anything he could try to write about it. And he does not want that kind of forgetting -- so, more sleep. These rapid eyes will keep on moving, seeking out the dream that is escape and reunion.

And the piano interlude seems to me to be the soundtrack of the sinking down phase, but at the end the choir is still singing 'mayday', still asking that someone would throw a rope. (It interests me that both Circadian and REM end on major chords that are fully resolved, because a lot of songs on the record end in an unresolved way, even some of the ones that are ostensibly upbeat. yet at the very end here there is at least a musical promise of some peace, if not a lyrical one.)

ETA -- the 'fore this loud morning gets it right' line is also one that I have pondered for a good long while. Is the morning actively trying to do him in -- in otherwords, getting its malicious intent right? Or is the 'gets it right' some acknowledgment that you do, in fact, have to live in the day -- that people are meant to live in the conscious world, their natural and 'right' place, even though living there feels like a death sometimes and sleep seems infinitely more appealing? It's a very interesting lyric when you think hard about it.

HI!!!

Am I the only one who gets really touched when David sings "Give me one more quiet night ´fore this loud morning gets it right and does me in" on REM???? OMG those words just hit me everytime, I love to hear his beautiful voice sing them (to me) and they just say so much!!! Of course Davids story about his loud mornings had a lot to do with it. BUT I think we have all been there and can totally relate to them?! "Sink or swim, does this story have an ending?" WOW there are so many layers in this song that I have yet to discover and figure out!

I´m just listening to 4LW and I have a hard time understanding why it took me a while to "like" that song. I mean it was not my first go to song. The more I listen to it the more the lyrics and like a lot of other times, certain words just gives me goosegumps. Its like that with the very beautiful GTTG (which I liked from the first listen, but just wasn´t my favourite on TLM). The lyrics on that is touching too. "Now I´m just a vessel lost at sea" was one of the first lines I remembered!

Sorry I don´t have time to write more for now, but might come back later. I will say I´m sooo impressed at what you all get from these lyrics!!! Some of you are poets like our David!!!

6ways2sunday, I can't help it but have to tell you my experience too. It happened to me once also in another thread. After I saved a post, I noticed that there was no edit button to it but the one of another poster's (just right after my post) had one. I thought it might be mine so I clicked on it but was denied access. And then when I went back to the main Dwop thread and reposted with an edited one. After saving, everything went OK. I got an edit button and the other poster's was gone. And also the edit button of my original post had reappeared. Then the next day, I noticed my original post was deleted by maybe Lisa (thanks Lisa) seeing it was a duplicate post.
My take was that it could be possible that the other poster and I had clicked our posts simultaneously and at almost the same time and something happened in cyberspace like maybe our edit button got interchanged or something. But I don't know what the other poster was seeing during that time and whether she had her edit button or none and saw mine instead. So what do I know? I guess it was a crazy (twilight zone) idea, lol.

eta: oh I see that there is no other post just before or after yours. Maybe it was at another thread but it would be difficult to find out now. oh well.

eta 2: I just saw your post of Tuesday, September 6, 2011 - 20:13 and closeyoureyes at Tuesday, September 6, 2011 - 20:12. Hmmmm that's very, very, very close. Maybe could had been a millisecond? I wonder.

I have a question that has absolutely nothing to do with lyrics, but I was on this thread when I noticed. I can't edit my posts, but I see an edit button on closeyoureyes' posts. Any ideas as to why that would be?

ETA: The edit button on her posts went away, but it was interesting to see. So, nevermind. Smiling

LOL minstrel! I think a lot of us are in that "hornswoggled" boat with you, especially about some of the lyrics from DCTR.

Went and got my songbook. Which is not infallible alas. Half baked anyone? But it does in fact say worst. I stand corrected. I'll be hornswoggled. Lol.

And yeah lmffy. I knew there was another like that on TLM.

Ha NEMO. I was just finished reading back to catch up, and refreshed to post the same thing you just did. Well the part about "words" vs. "worst". (Only half tearfully mourning the lack of official lyrics for DCTR) Eye-wink

It reminds me of all the healthy debating about so many DCTR lyrics. For example: "I'm taken" vs. "I'll take you", "half baked vs.half-faith", and so on. I even remember being on a boat with you and some others floating down the river of "DeNial"over a few of them. Those were some good times. Smiling

Just a quick post from a lurker - love this thread, love your ideas, thanks for sharing them everyone! I certainly agree that if David reads anything on DCO, I hope it's this thread occasionally - how unbelievably exciting and flattering to any artist to have his work so carefully considered, with such sincerity and well-informed affection.

Just wanted to comment on Minstrel's quote of this line in her post about David and the theme of struggle with words that occurs in his writing:
"I would like to introduce Mr. Sensitive/ the one who never let the words get the best of him."
Unfortunately, the lyrics (such as they were) for DCTR here on DCO appear to be gone. But I always heard this line as:
I would like to introduce Mr. Sensitive/ the one who never let the worst get the best of him.
#curseOfMissingLyrics lol Don't want to derail your discussions - just kinda laughed at the idea that we're still unsure of so many DCTR lyrics, let alone what they mean.
Carry on!

minstrel another one from LMFFY I'm hanging by a thread / With all the words you never said

Talking about LMFFY, when I was young I would prefer a guy to just say "Let me fall for you" than "Let me love you" or "I love you". I think I was scared of that word because, as Opibinia said, would mean a guy is very serious and I was still a student. But most of the time for me, I couldn't trust a guy who said that word to me especially if he says it nonchalantly because at those young age it would mean that he could be a player and said it to many girls. Also at those age and where I grew up I noticed boys avoid saying those words. I think the word usually used was " let's go steady" or a lighter type of word/s. The most important thing for me was for the guy to show his feelings through actions (not the "x" one, during those times none of that was acceptable by our custom and even now) like making me feel special and being faithful among others.

Back to David maybe he is just a sensitive guy or is it still usual for most young guys now a days to prefer not to say this word?

There's also this compilation of 2011 Interviews (work in progress, which you just reminded me I need to update LOL) http://www.scribd.com/doc/59476670/Interviews-With-David-2011-to-date

closeyoureyes:

"4 Letter Word is one I did with Matt Squire and Claude Kelly. I love the tongue-in-cheek aspect of [this song]. Love is obviously a four-letter word, but it's also implying that love is a curse word. It's kind of a jaded view on love, but I think again it fit into the back-half of this record. From the Billboard Track by Track"

I thought I remembered him saying it somewhere, thank you, cye for finding it. DC pretty much summed up what I was trying to explain, only so much better than I could. And, with fewer words. Smiling

Minstrel, I created a blog with the transcripts of the DCO Track by Track, the Billboard Track by Track, & a few extracts from the Broken Records Mag interview together with links to the originals: http://www.davidcookofficial.com/za/blog/loud-morning-track-track-fromth...

Not CYE, obviously, but I also found this link very informative and had only seen it within the past week or so. It's the Billboard Track by Track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ElXrTmnwHY

no prob, 6ways. it means... "know what I mean?"

cye, thanks for the comments from the Source. cos you are good at this -- are all the 'behind the music' things linked in a single blog/news post here someplace? rather than just individual items as they originally appeared? I want to think there's an omnibus someplace.

If you DM me that, as well as the link to the Billboard 'track by track,' i'll put them up in the OP. They'd be handy to have there. thanks.

Minstrel:

"6ways, lol -- it was the writer's train of thought I was wondering about, not yours. But as for 'dirty' words -- you're right, they're just words. I don't make a big deal about them, personally -- though it's useful to have a few in the back pocket for effect. (if you use all of them, all the time, what do you do when you really want to throw the verbal grenade? But that's neither here nor there.)

I was only saying that the idea of "4 letter word" has to mean something in the context of the song -- not just the fact that "love" is spelled with four letters, kwim? It has to mean something ironic, something that the term "love" normally is not -- whether that is the concept of something forbidden, obscene, impolite, profane, angry, a general concept of "swear" or ... whatever. It has to represent some sort of twist/contrast or the song wouldn't work."

A man's train of thought can certainly be difficult to decipher. I am pretty sure about one thing (it is a given...it always is..LOL), other than that, I have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

One of my favorite phrases is: "A time and place for everything". That way, when you whip it out, the person you are saying it to, stops in their tracks and knows that it just turned ugly.

I will get back to you later on the love-irony thing. I have an idea about it, but I want to write it out first to make sure it make sense before I post it.

One more thing, what does KWIM mean? I see it all over the board, but I just don't understand. Help a girl out, here. Thank you.

Well, this is what David himself said about it:
4 LETTER WORD
[David Cook – Claude Kelly – Matt Squire]
I love kinda the tongue-in-cheek-premise of that. You know, I’ve heard that phrase a few times in my life, you know - ‘Love is a four letter word’. I don’t know … I’ve just always kinda thought that phrase was a little clever. “Love is a four letter word’. [small smirk] So as we were putting this record together, I thought “A man, that phrase actually kind of works within the context of the record. That track – I really enjoyed the process of writing it.

(From the Track By Track vids on DCO.

And this
4 Letter Word is one I did with Matt Squire and Claude Kelly. I love the tongue-in-cheek aspect of [this song]. Love is obviously a four-letter word, but it's also implying that love is a curse word. It's kind of a jaded view on love, but I think again it fit into the back-half of this record. From the Billboard Track by Track

So yeah, definitely love as a curse word.

thanks for bringing that, CYE. Is cool.

6ways, lol -- it was the writer's train of thought I was wondering about, not yours. But as for 'dirty' words -- you're right, they're just words. I don't make a big deal about them, personally -- though it's useful to have a few in the back pocket for effect. (if you use all of them, all the time, what do you do when you really want to throw the verbal grenade? But that's neither here nor there.)

I was only saying that the idea of "4 letter word" has to mean something in the context of the song -- not just the fact that "love" is spelled with four letters, kwim? It has to mean something ironic, something that the term "love" normally is not -- whether that is the concept of something forbidden, obscene, impolite, profane, angry, a general concept of "swear" or ... whatever. It has to represent some sort of twist/contrast or the song wouldn't work.

A & R guy's wife's take on Circadian. I find it really cool that so many people from disparate backgrounds can find something to relate to personally in his lyrics.
http://www.asuburbanstateofmom.com/circadian-david-cook

Minstrel:

1). ""yeah, 6ways, when you look at it i can see how you could read it as an updated version of "lie." That'd make it a later-stage sort of a song that might fit better chronologically (though one could argue that there were already a couple of clear 'goodbye' songs in front of it and another one after it). I don't think it's a perfect progression either way, if one wanted to be trying to make a strict story out of it. But since it's a record, not a musical, maybe it's not that necessary that it work so neatly."

"Hold your tongue, hold it tight Or we'll be destined to fall like the sun did tonight Leave it out `cause it might Take from both of us down before we both get it right"

This is the part that reminds me of "lie". (Someone else had mentioned Lie, as well) It seems to me that he doesn't really want the relationship to end, even though he knows it is coming apart. He thinks if they work a little harder, the relationship can make it through. Denial, of course, but who hasn't been there? Even when you know a relationship is done, sometimes a tiny little part of you wishes you could work it out. The record is supposed to be a progression, and based on the two prior songs, he already knows it is over, and I think the song after, GTTG, is the one where he actually says goodbye for good. REM is the one where he wonders if it is worth trying to get back together, or not. 4LW fits right in there as the denial part. (I know we are discussing 4LW, but we are also talking progression. I also know there are other ways to interpret the record. Smiling )

2). "I still think the "can't commit due to prior baggage" is an equally valid way to hear the song, esp if "love," itself, is the "4 letter word." But either way it begs the question -- what's a 4 letter word, anyway? It's something indecent, obscene, impolite, shocking? (Lol. Well, prob not that shocking, given the frequency -- and D certainly loves him some eff word. But fundamentally, a 4 letter word is obscene, profane, not fit for polite company. Dirty.)"

"Looking back, now I see Saying just how we feel causes such misery All I want is to keep This moment alive between you and me And I know just what you're thinking But if we ever let it go"

To me, the "Looking back indicates that they have already said "I love you", even though he uses the present tense in the rest of the sentence. When he says "all I want is to keep this moment alive between you and me" is also why I think that. Another little touch of denial here, because based on the songs before this one, he already knows it is over.

Aaahhh, obscenity. What a lovely word. Words are obscene, dirty, or what have you because people make them so. They are just words that describe things that we do, are, go, or whatever. It seems when somebody gets offended, it suddenly becomes a bad thing to do. I don't know. Maybe it is just me. There are so many terrible things in this world, (rape, murder, hunger, natural disasters, diseases) it seems kind of stupid to me to get all in a tizzy over a freaking WORD. Just sayin'.

3). "Which is really kind of an interesting perspective -- the notion that love itself could be a dirty word. Not just sad, when it is broken, but obscene. I expect it's just wordplay, you know -- a twist taking into account the word lengths? But when you break it down... i dunno, I raise my eyebrows at that, wonder what prompted that train of thought, lol......"

It very well could be a play on words. I guess it depends on how angry you are, how it is said to you, and how you feel about the person who said it to you. I have seen arguments between people where it certainly seemed like it was.

Are you talking about my train of thought or his? My train of thought can be difficult to explain at times and could take all day. Eye-wink

I think all points of view are valid. Makes life more entertaining.

Now, let's see if I can get this to post. My cat has been "helping me" and this is the third time I have written this post. Love my Skye kitty. Smiling

For an articulate guy, he's actually pretty fascinated with the "words" thing -- their usefulness or lack thereof.

Are there any words to say that could ever be enough?

I can feel in the evening air, all the words I want to say/but I can tell as you turn away that they wouldn't make you stay.

Only if you care about [with] these words unspoken. (In the lyrics booklet it's "about," and there's a comma before "unspoken" -- which makes me think these unspoken words are "take me as I am.")

Saying just how we feel causes such misery... it could all get ruined if it's ever said out loud.

Because... who's to say the rhymes beside your bed will keep you warm when everything is getting colder?

You turn away from all those things that I've been trying to say.

I would like to introduce Mr. Sensitive/ the one who never let the words get the best of him.

And that's just right off the top of my head. I think if you look at the earlier work, there is probably going to be more of that. (Or a long-ago vlog, decrying the lack of a term bigger than "thank you" -- that the phrase was trite and completely not up to the job of expressing what he wanted to express.)

So, to me, it is interesting, that this self-confessed word nerd (yeah, he did give up the title but in fact I think there is no giving it up) has a continual fascination with the inadequacy and damage potential of language. Just as he prefers not to use the word "love" at all in his lyrics. It always makes me smile that what I think is the actual climax of the song Fade Into Me, at 3:15 to 3:20, is wordless. The strings do the job.

Actually, he said it first. And meant it. That's what was so scary; it wasn't a game any more.

ETA: Sorry for making this more personal than I should have. Just wanted to say that it isn't always the guy who's reluctant to commit.

Opabinia, you said it better than I did.
I know a man, one of my husband's friends, who has a different girlfriend every year. Seems head over heels in love every time, but as soon as the woman gets serious, he's off. Quits his job and moves to a different city. And he is one of the nicest persons I know. Just can't take commitment.

A s I interpret it, 4LW (like TLG) is really from the male perspective (not intended to be sexist, but the singer is male) . In other words, not meant to be what "the girl" wants to hear, but how the guy feels inside at certain points of a relationship.

The relationship has been fun and uncommitted. But now it's getting serious, but either side may not want to utter or hear "the 4 letter word" that while not obscene, threatens the relationship. Because love means commitment. It means there are expectations now, and those expectations might cause the relationship to break up.

Also, in "Take me as I am" he asks to be accepted "with these words unspoken". I'm guessing that "these words" might be "Love" also.

A "4-letter word" can also be assumed to be forbidden, taboo. And this POV isn't necessarily
male. Without going into tedious autobiographical detail, I remember quite well (in the distant past) a college sophomore with minimal dating experience who was terrified to say it out loud for the exact reasons implicit in these lyrics. Yes, once spoken, there was resulting misery, crumbling, crashing and burning -- isn't there always? But we "got it right" eventually.

But you know, to me, this song is what someone would be thinking secretly to themselves, not yet having worked up the courage to examine the relationship and decide if the L word and what it implies are genuine and worth the risks.

yeah, 6ways, when you look at it i can see how you could read it as an updated version of "lie." That'd make it a later-stage sort of a song that might fit better chronologically (though one could argue that there were already a couple of clear 'goodbye' songs in front of it and another one after it). I don't think it's a perfect progression either way, if one wanted to be trying to make a strict story out of it. But since it's a record, not a musical, maybe it's not that necessary that it work so neatly.

I still think the "can't commit due to prior baggage" is an equally valid way to hear the song, esp if "love," itself, is the "4 letter word." But either way it begs the question -- what's a 4 letter word, anyway? It's something indecent, obscene, impolite, shocking? (Lol. Well, prob not that shocking, given the frequency -- and D certainly loves him some eff word. But fundamentally, a 4 letter word is obscene, profane, not fit for polite company. Dirty.)

Which is really kind of an interesting perspective -- the notion that love itself could be a dirty word. Not just sad, when it is broken, but obscene. I expect it's just wordplay, you know -- a twist taking into account the word lengths? But when you break it down... i dunno, I raise my eyebrows at that, wonder what prompted that train of thought, lol......

When you don't love someone anymore and you tell them, it hurts. That's what makes it a "4-letter word". Maybe he doesn't want to hurt her. Maybe they both feel the same way, and just don't want to end it because they still care, just not enough to stay together. Our maybe, she is the one who is ready to move on and he sees it. Saying it makes it all too real. 'Lie" redux or not. TLM is about loss. I don't see how this theory doesn't fit in with the other levels, as someone posted downthread. It is also about loss. All this is, of course, my own opinion.

There is also the theory that if you never say it in the first place, then it might be easier for both people to just walk away when the time comes. That theory, to me, doesn't really fit the theme of the album. Which I also think that someone posted downthread.

Anyway, maybe I am just not getting it, or maybe I just like my theory better. Eye-wink In any case, it's all good.

Minstrel, I have the same issue with that line in 4LW. I think I even mentioned it in this thread awhile back, because I wasn't understanding it. I initially interpreted it as "If we never say we'll never crash and burn," but as you said, once you read the next line, you realize that can't be right. I feel like giving my third graders that line as an example of how to read things in context. LOL

I'm not crazy about 4LW either, but rather because of the music than the lyrics, so I guess we're on opposite of the fence on this one, Minstrel Smiling

I understand what you're saying, but I don't have a problem with it. For me TLM is about showing different stages in the process, so I don't have a problem with a less "mature" viewpoint in particular songs.

For me, 4LW represents a particular emotional stage. At that point, the narrator thinks that placing too much pressure on the relationship is what kills it:
Looking back, now I see
Saying just how we feel causes such misery

In some ways, it's the counterpoint to We Believe. He's been burnt, burnt very badly. And at this stage, he just doesn't have the emotional courage or reserves to deal with 'believing', to openly and irrevocably commit to the relationship. Because if you name it, it's real, KWIM? And real is dangerous, as he has learned to his cost.

Of course, bargaining with the fates doesn't protect him either. But that's a story for another song or two or three.

If they didn't say the words(that they didn't love each other anymore) they didn't have to end the relationship.>/em>

Isn't that "Lie" Redux - on the relationship level? "...if we put too much light on it we'll see through all the cracks." - "....So Lie to me and tell me that it's gonna be alright." Better the devil you know?

Disclaimer - being aware these songs are written on more than one level - I am trying to only address the relationship level, but the interpretation also has to work comfortably with the other levels, to belong in the loose arc... IMO. The other disclaimer is that normally, I prefer instrumental music - so lyrics need to have depth and congruity to get my attention

But I didn't perceive that - it was much more "don't say the word aloud, you'll jinx it" - to me. It could have gone other ways...I don't feel as if it did. "You told me that you loved me but you lied, you &%#)! and turned love into a cuss word." had a lot more scope - but it would not fit at all with the undercurrent of the album - so IDK where else it had room to go with that 4Letter Word theme.

I get it - but I want to see a statute of limitations on that POV - (Or maybe, just a confident female co-writer?) It mitigates present pain, but cheats everyone involved, in the end. "It's easy when it's done being hard" was a truer read, IMO.

And that may be why LMFFY resonates more - this is the dude on the overpass in 2007, who is nervous of exposed heights, and poses for the pic anyway...the guy who says "bring it" - I'd like to see that reflected in a lyric or two on the next album.

JMO. Of Course.

"Minstrel"

I am sure that what I do not love is the sentiment, you know? If this guy were singing to me, I would say -- "dude, own it or not, but don't act like just saying the word is what's going to cause ruination." Better to just be honest and say, "I really like you but not enough to stick with you" ... or the time-honored "it's not you, it's me." Or even "I am feeling something powerful for you but it scares me to death, in light of my prior baggage ("looking back now I see"). so please be patient with me and do not lay the L word on me yet."

I kind of got a different feel from the song. Maybe I am reading it wrong. I thought he was saying that they were in love and now he wasn't sure if they felt that way anymore. If they didn't say the words(that they didn't love each other anymore) they didn't have to end the relationship.

Could be wrong. I don't know.

Actually, I'd be interested in talking about the lyrics to "4 Letter Word" with some specificity. Because it's definitely my least preferred of the songs on the record, though as music it is perfectly fine to my ear -- in fact it is quite catchy -- and D does his usual excellent vocal job of selling the material.

I am sure that what I do not love is the sentiment, you know? If this guy were singing to me, I would say -- "dude, own it or not, but don't act like just saying the word is what's going to cause ruination." Better to just be honest and say, "I really like you but not enough to stick with you" ... or the time-honored "it's not you, it's me." Or even "I am feeling something powerful for you but it scares me to death, in light of my prior baggage ("looking back now I see"). so please be patient with me and do not lay the L word on me yet."

I think the bridge is actually sort of intended to be a statement of something like the latter. It just doesn't quite go far enough in that direction to win me over.

Plus the stickler in me is always bugged a little bit by the missing "it" in the chorus ("you know if we never say [it], we'll never crash and burn"). If you don't have the words in front of you, it's a little unclear, the function of the comma after "say." Because you can hear it as "if we never say we'll never crash and burn" also, kwim? (Obviously the fact that the next line is "cause" makes that reading wrong, but the ear does kind of go there for a minute.)

Anyway. Clearly it's a mood for the POV character, and I am sure it is honest writing. I sure don't hate it, or skip it when playing the record. just personally prefer the "the hell with it, I am scared but I am jumping anyway" guts of LMFFY. IMO. YMMV.

Nina Skaaning:
Yes, out of 14 songs, there is only most of one that that I don't like...kinda breaks my heart cuz so many love it. I want to love it. As for 4LW, that grew on me, took about 2 weeks, and I LOVE it! Oh the drums, the bass guitar, I just love all of that! I am happy that TMO has grown on me, sure took long enough! Ya know, on DCTR, the only song I didn't care for was Mr S....it grew on me at shows, but was at the bottom of my list...

I don't want to have any at the bottom of my list!

What I find truly amazing is the lyrics to ALL the songs on TLM....I just love the lyrics!
I think my fav lyrics songs are HTB and 4LW and TMAIA and WB and LMFFY and TINTLT lol! Oh, and REM! Love that song!

Ilovedcyes......you posted in the right thread because you were making the statement that you liked the lyrics of those two songs and not the music.
I am the one Smiling that got us side tracked to the music..on Walmart soundcheck....it was just that I had wanted to bring this up to you on other times when you mentioned skipping those two songs. That's alright you are allowed, if they do not grab you Smiling At least you are only skipping one now and you like the lyrics of both. There are all the other great songs to enjoy Smiling P.S...just wanted to tell you I enjoyed your recap of your first meeting with David! That was awesome. Ok, I am getting out of the lyric thread for now since I got us completely sidetracked Smiling Have a great day !!

HI!!!

IloveDCYES: I think you are very "brave" to admit that you don´t like or care too much for the two songs on TLM. Especially in here. But thats what so great around here: you can be who you are and it is ok to say things like this out loud.
I remember when TLG came out and some fans did not like it, but they admitted it. I have a hard to time to like his Axium stuff (few songs) so therefore I concentrate on AH, DTCR, TLM and TQN. There is enough to like and the journey does not end here. I think the only song that just took me a bit to like from TLM was "4 letter word". Now I´m crazy about that song! Now I have a hard time understanding what it was about it that I did not like. I think there were just sooooo many great songs that I just kind of needed the time to discover 4LW!!!

LuvCook: Thank you for Walmart Soundcheck! I had not seen that lol! I like Circadian up to just before MAYDAY... after that I just don't care for the music....sadly...and TMO is ok now but I still don't care for the music, and it bothers me. Like I said, I love the lyrics to these songs, but not the music Sad I LOVE the first part of Circadian though...I must be the only one. I want so badly to like both these songs, enough to stop skipping them...I still skip Circadian at Mayday til the end, but at least I am listening to TMO.....Circadian starts out so wonderfully for me! I love it up to Mayday!
#whatswrongwithme?

Just realized I put this in the wrong thread...should be in Music......

Nina......Thanks and I am with you........... bring on the tubeys Smiling I too am in awe of David's voice, it is amazing! I personally would be happy no matter what he sings...even the ABC's.... and I would love it.....the lyrics are a wonderful bonus:) Have a great day!!

HI!!!

LuvCook: thank you vey much for your kind words......and you being one of us that have not seen David yet, I appreciate that you can put that aside and hope that I will get to see him someday. Thank you and likewiese!!! Right now I´m just looking forward to the new "Tubes".
Your post (sep 4, 14:58) was very good.

I think for me it is still to difficult to put into words everything about TLM. I still feel that everytime I listen to it, something new appears......the many layers, the lyrics is absolutely a food for a thougt, his VOICE still blows me away and one day one word touches me the next day it is another one. There is so much to internalize on this amazing album. I´m very impressed with what everyone have written about it and maybe someday soon (oh oh) I will be able to sum it up.
It is a SPECIAL album and I too hope (and believe) that a lot of people will get to know it, hopefully buy it and spread the word.......so others could get the pleasure of this art!!! Happy to have it and thanks David for the story behind.......he really SHARED with us!!!!
But for now I will enjoy this fantastic gift and get into the next layer.

What I do know and think is fantastic is that there is lyrics this time. Sometimes I think I get a (new) meaning by just looking at the words. He really is an amazing songwriter and I like the fact that we got them with his handwriting.
I like how certain songs in the beginning meant one thing to me and after a while I got a whole new meaning, because I looked into the lyrics.

By the way that Walmart Soundcheck was amazing and I have watced it ????? times!!!

Ilovedcyes....sorry no edit key, Walmart Soundcheck should be:
http://soundcheck.walmart.com/david-cook

Ilovedcyes..... I remember you mentioning those two songs before, glad you are starting to like the lyrics. This is not lyric related so much but, while you do not have to like every song on TLM, I have meant to ask you before this, if you ever listened to those two songs on Walmart Soundcheck. Circadian became one of my favorite songs when I listened to it on soundcheck...was not convinced at first....love the performance...kinda like a mini concert...but also love the music ... .David is marvelous...Kyle is on fire Smiling ...Neil, Monty, and Andy so good. Time Marches On....is also excellent. Just a thought Smiling

//http:soundcheck.walmart.com/david-cook

There are two songs on TLM that I don't love.....musicallly....but I DO love the lyriics. One of them I don't skip anymore, as of this week, the other one I still do skip. I want to like that song so bad,but only like the music in the first minute or so...then it is downhill. Yet I love the lyrics!

NIna........Minstrel.......Thank you for your kind words. It just happened to be one of those mornings when the world was all quiet/rainy and feelings came to the surface...when I read Cye's inspiring post.
TLM is far from being a downer for me .......we all can or will at some time... relate to the loss in our lives... aspect of this album, but David's music does inspire and yes that is what makes it special....and actually is very comforting. And yeah, I do not believe this is going to be the only kind of music David Cook will put out there and I think this album is just great, would not want to change a thing! But David is just beginning....like Randy said he's our rocker....and more songs like LMFFY may be next Smiling, or whatever, he wants to put out there, we will gladly listen. Right now, is the present and I am throughly enjoying this album. This, like many have said is the record, David needed to make....not only about his loss, but also like Opabina said, he had to process all the unexpected changes and challenges in his life that happened in a short amount of time. Like many have said before on DCO, this album has so many layers, possible meanings.... no matter if it is.... lyrics, voice, music, ect. that there is something in each song, line, word for someone. This is the what David wanted, I believe, to make us think about the lyrics/music and make up our own minds....example being GBTTG. We will probably still be breaking down these lyrics for years to come....and all of its many layers....hopefully future generations will be doing so Smiling Just hope more people will come to love these songs/ album...and it may take a little longer to reach a steady climb....but it will happen....it has staying power...written all over it. David just needs to start singing these songs....and as they say... Scott always quotes: No one Sells David Cook like David Cook. Getting so excited about the tour and hoping more ears will hear what we all, already know about David and his music Smiling After all we don't want to keep it all to ourselves Smiling

Nina.....you need to comment more on the lyrics thread....you did excellent, loved your post about TMAIA Smiling I have never commented on the lyrics, but I too enjoy what others have to say, not only on here, but all the threads. I have never seen David live... hope to some day when funds allow, but I truly hope you get to see him soon....you bring a lot of joy to DCO...with your excitement and it is contagious Smiling

Minstrel, I agree about We Believe not being mere whistling in the dark, and that thematically it's very close to TINTLT and LMFFY. It's clear that in We Believe the narrator is very aware of the reality of loss and the dark side of life. To me, it's a conscious decision, a brave leap of faith if you will, to cling on to the hope in the face of that knowledge. But within the story arc of the album, it fits for me at the beginning. Because even if you make that decision, your core belief system will be shaken to its very foundations when and if the loss actually materializes. The rest of TLM (main storyline) reflects that process for me. The alternative storyline symbolizes a return to We Believe, but now much deeper and poignant. Because even after the loss has become reality, after the narrator has experienced the despair and the hopelessness and the senselessness of it all, at the point when you would expect cynicism and bitterness, the narrator chooses to embrace the hope again. A much, much harder proposition IMO when the prospect of loss is no longer abstract, but an inescapable reality.

yeah, opa ... that Dylan song. Makeover made me think of that for a while also. And yes re the fame/celebrity/career aspects in the record; I completely agree that it's in there, the issue of trying to stay real in a world suffused with artificiality, adulation and such radical change from the prior norm.

LuvCook, I neglected to offer condolences, so will do that now. This record is really resonant for people who have "been there", as evidenced by comments from many DCO people. That might make it a little less immediately palatable for those not in that head-space, but since everyone has to go there at some point, I think TLM is going to have a lot longer legs than might currently be evident. I don't think that's necessarily D's subject-for-a-lifetime (I pray it is not) but it's surely his subject-for-now, and a brave and healthy and helpful thing for him to process. Helpful for the listeners as it also aids in their "processing" -- which is one of the fantastic things music is capable of accomplishing.

And CYE, excellent thoughts. Thanks so much for sharing them all.

With limited internet access until a year and a half ago, I came to Analog Heart much later than most of you. I had read discussion of the lyrics on it, of course, so had that advantage in hearing the words of the songs. So, Makeover: At first listen, I couldn't help thinking of a very different song that used similar wording in the chorus, which is the refusal of the POV character to commit to what could be a quite demanding relationship.

I'm not the one you want, babe.
I'm not the one you need.
You say you're lookin' for someone
Who's never weak but always strong
To protect you and defend you
Whether you are right or wrong.

(Dylan's It Ain't Me You're Lookin' For)

Makeover is a much darker concept. I think of it as being about a girl who is also desperately seeking someone to protect, defend, nurture her. She is suffering, possibly from unwise decisions, addiction or emotional illness, and certainly rejection by her world, and the POV character is keenly sympathetic. At the same time, he's discovered that having a relationship can only harm them both (red lights as a warning, the references to pain and injury), and is attempting to convince her of that reality.

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There have been many insightful discussions here of TLM. I'm still absorbing it with heartfelt delight, so can't as yet have anything to add. Except that in addition to the influence of his loss, I think the entire work is placed squarely in the context of unexpected, overwhelming life changes. He said in a recent interview that he had spent the first 25 years of his life preparing for what he expected at that time would be his future. Suddenly, that future was shown to be radically different from what he had imagined. His life indeed became very "loud". Heady stuff, hearing wild audience response, being aknowledged by the famous and the respected in his field. But unnerving, with constant demands on time and energy, the diminishment of privacy. And then the distractions of touring came to a halt, and it was time to "process". Hiding his head under the blanket when everything just seemed too much is a telling metaphor for a very natural, very human reaction. I cannot adequately express the admiration I have for this sensitive, intelligent young man in using his creative gifts, rather than hedonistically self-destructive indulgences or crippling self-pity, to balance himself. He's taken his experiences, the bitter and the sweet, and given us TLM.

ETA: Edited for clarity.

Just a comment re We Believe, which probably I have made elsewhere. I actually feel that this song relates a more mature ... or, later in the process ... stage of thinking regarding hope and loss. I don't read it as any kind of whistling in the dark or vain clinging to a pretty world in the face of impending doom. What I see in those words is an assertion that humans are not randomly on the earth, that there's some purpose, and even 'after everything that we've been through, we believe.' To me that is a post-loss assessment, especially in the face of the musical darkness of the bridge of the song. To me that is a vote for hope, courage, battling your way 'back home' even when your entire world has collapsed.

The placement so early in the song list is of interest, of course, as you could argue that later and darker songs wipe it all out. But the sentiments expressed are completely consistent with the world view expressed in TINTLT and LMFFY. He's "sort of" made a linear story out of it all, because that was an artistically interesting thing to do. But to me the whole record is more a collection of snapshots of various moods during the grieving process (since, as you said, CYE, it's not linear).

Some days you can hold onto hope and some days you want to be dead. That's just how it is, as a human.

He is frakkin' brave, in his writing. This is why it really burns me when anyone tries to hang the 'cliche' tag around his neck, because it proves they have not really taken time to listen.

HI!!!

LuvCook: from (just now) seeing how many close to you, you have lost in the last couple of years (SORRY), I absolutely understand, even deeper now, why TLM touches you so much and in a special way. I´m touched by TLM as well. Some of it has to do with what David explained about this album, his loss and from what I have concluded from this album!
You are one of those intelligent posters too. We all contribute at DCO, we just do it differently. I think I get where you are comming from: ´cause I look in this thread (I don´t think I ever posted here mainly because it is hard for me to explain the lyrics......it is not that I won´t, but I just feel I don´t have the right words) and read these great posts that amaze, wow and touch me. BUT I like to read what others GET from these amazing lyrics.

CYE: I just read your post about TLM and it made me think and I had to comment. First I want to say: WOW that was an amazing and very touching "recap" of TLM. I agreed with it all, could connect to it. What I love about music and lyrics is that we all get something out of it. No one has the right answer (David had his meaning when he wrote the songs) and we all hear and respond to it differently. Sometimes I´m amazed at how one word can point us in so many different directions.
I liked it all, but to me you just hit TMO: spot on!! That is how I hear and feel it too.

As to "Take Me As I Am" giving you some "problems" I will try and explain what it means to me and what I have taken with me from that song.......no secret: I love it and have from the moment I heard it on RFH-concert......although TMO was the one that got me first.
I will not go into every single word of this song.
"Take me as I am, right here where I stand. Open up your arms and let me in": just reminds me of what I think David learned all his life from Adam (his mentor who to is me is very visible in Davids life and what he does.....I can only guess.), his parents, Andrew, friends etc. He carried that "attitude" with him on Idol and I think that´s part of what worked so well for him. He is who he is and yes there is: stage Dave, interview Dave, humble Dave, giving Dave, private Dave etc. It is kind of like "take it or leave it"- attitude. But he is not self centered to me at all. I mean it in a postitive light. Didn´t he say he grew up with this "there is always a ying and a yang to everything?". I think Matt Serletic said in the DVD "David has a lot of influences in his life" and I think thats one of the points I´m trying to make here.
"My happy ever after....When I´m lost and broken".......reminds me of Andy´s comment on the DVD something about David "this whole crazy thing" (can´t remember it 100%), but to me it rang so true. I think Andy ment it all: tour, Adams passing, Davids grief, the "millions" of songs etc. It has been a crazy period, but I think something GREAT (and touching) came out of that.
"We can take tonight and make it last forever": overanalyzing perhaps but this could be David singing to Adam. I feel like he is wishing for that last minute with his brother. That moment I think we all know and wish for when some one close to us are dying/or have died (I lost my mother in law in March and I have moments where I just want her back just for a minute).
"Give me one more try before we say goodbye": that line just hits me so hard. To me it is just like David wants to take all the bad things (can´t be many, but he is not perfect right?) he did (towards Adam) back. Regrets of being mad at him, not being there enough (all though Adam said he had to do his stuff and live his life) etc. I think David just wanted to show Adam he would do and be ok and for Adam to see the real David!
BUT this line: "I know I´m not alone" gives me the hope in this song. He had lost Adam at this time, but he was not alone. Not the only one hurting......although he did put his mourn on hold.......and there were still lots of people in his life and new mentors to find?!

OH WOW this was meant to be a short comment, but left me in a deep write about TMAIA. Probably good that I don´t post here often, because it is tough and I think I rambled a bit?!

Cye...I am sitting here this quiet morning, reading your interpretation of TLM, it touched me and I am literally in tears.....you have brought out so many points that are right on. I am thinking of David and what he must of been going through during this time in his young life. And yes, maybe a little selfish on my part, thinking of the losses I have had myself in the past few years (sister,brother,best friend, dear neighbor)...you go about your day to day life...thinking yes I am healing as time goes on (while not forgetting)....but it is times like these that it hits you. I believe that is why TLM is such a powerful album...like no other...on so many levels. TLM hit me like that on my first listen and continues to leave me breathless. It should be required listening in every pyschology class....music appreciation class....for that matter voice lessons...what have you. I agree with you Circadian ....all the songs inbetween...right through to the ending of REM....belong in the grieving stages. The bonus songs like you say are David's alternative....yes, there is a hope and a new day....and life has to go on. Wow, there are so much depth and layers to this album....and like you said you did not even get into (nor would you wish to/nor would I myself) all the personal history or possible faith/religous aspects that could be interpreted. This album just amazes me more each day. This is why I really like coming to DCO....so many intelligent people contributing here...expressing what I have trouble doing so myself....but the feelings that this album brings out..... is all there.

QTT & Minstrel, I share your misgivings. That's why I'm going to keep my analysis as non-specific as possible.

One of the things that has catapulted my love for TLM into the range of 'almost unbearable', is the double-layered storyline of TLM. As David said in the Broken Records interview, he will often use a romantic relationship as a metaphor for something else. I've given my take on the romantic relationship storyline earlier. For me, the deeper layer is the process of dealing with grievous loss. I think Jim C was spot-on when he said that TLM is about the inevitability of loss. But TLM shows the process one goes through when faced with this prospect. So here goes.

In RHWY the narrator is still in the hopeful phase - aware that loss is possible, even probable, but (almost naively) believing that it can be staved off (even if only in an existential way), that whatever happens, the essence of what the narrator is afraid of losing will survive catastrophe. As said by many, the Permanent of this album.

In We Believe, a few cracks are beginning to show in that hope. Here's where the theme of the existential crisis begins to show more clearly. Whatever your religious beliefs, we all want to believe (subconsciously or consciously) that life makes sense, that bad things won't happen to good people, that if we keep on trying and giving our best, there will be a good outcome. We Believe spells that out very clearly. IMO the narrator is becoming more aware in We Believe that it doesn't always work out that way, but he is nevertheless (almost defiantly) clinging on to that belief.

In FIM, the narrator has managed to shut out his doubts and has immersed himself in the hope. To me, the lyrics and music of this song almost evoke a floating feeling - as if the character is floating in a bubble, cut off from the slings and arrows of doubts and fear and harsh reality. If you want to, you can classify RWHY through FIM as the 'denial' stage of grief, with FIM representing the high point of denial.

In Hard To Believe, the bubble has been breached. Doubts are starting to creep in again. Personally I see HTB as a conversation the narrator is having with himself. One side of him sees the signs that loss is imminent, the other side is desperately trying to convince himself to cling on to hope.

Take Me As I Am is a desperate plea. I have to admit, this is the song where I have the hardest time directly relating the lyrics to the existential crisis story arc. But it is clear that the narrator is desperately pleading for loss to be averted. So I guess this represents the bargaining stage of grief.

Time Marches On is the turning point song as far as the theme of loss is concerned. The narrator has realized that loss is inevitable. On the one hand, there is the grief and the yearning for the better time, the time when he believed loss could be averted; on the other hand there is bitterness and anger at the impending loss. And yet the narrator is so dearly aware of the harsh reality - that Time Marches On, that no matter how he feels about it, he cannot stop the process or 'freezeframe' his life, that the loss will occur regardless of how prepared he is for it.

The Last Goodbye is next. It's in the context of the theme of dealing with loss where the placement of TLG really makes sense to me. The narrator has come to acceptance that loss it inevitable (or at least, he thinks he has). He doesn't want to go through the cycle of despair and renewed hope again (remember, in the song he refers to a few previous goodbyes that weren't the final goodbyes). He is ready (or thinks he is) to face the loss head-on, and to retain good memories of what went before.

However in Paper Heart, the narrator realizes that he isn't ready for the loss, that it hurts so, so much more than he was prepared for. All he wishes for is numbness instead of this unbearable pain. Another reason why I love, love, love the thematic development of TLM. We are all aware of the stages of grief. But what many people who haven't been through grievous loss don't realize, is that it's not a linear process. You cycle back from feelings of hope to despair, from acceptance to denial, over and over again.

To me, 4LW represents the bargaining and denial stages of grief intertwined into one. The narrator has allowed himself to hope again, yet he is fearful of admitting that hope. As long as we don't name it, we can't jinx it, right?

In GTTG all the bargaining, all the denial, all the hope has come to naught. The loss has occurred, permanently and irrevocably. And the narrator is faced with deep existential crisis. Because you know, that belief in the world making sense, that hopefulness of We Believe? Has been shown to be a fallacy. Disaster occurs without rhyme or reason. We cannot control what happens in life. The narrator is left adrift, with nothing to hold on to, no reason to hang on to existence, only the grief that permeates every aspect of his life.

As to the bonus tracks, QTT and I have had a long and lively discussion as to whether they should be incorporated into the main storyline, or whether they form an alternate storyline. Although I can see her viewpoint (and would like her to expand on it here), I see it as an alternate storyline. The main storyline ends with despair. The alternate storyline is one of overcoming despair, in which TINTLT comes after, or takes the place of GTTG, and LMFFY acts as an adjunct to TINTL.

In TINTLT, the narrator has overcome the existential crisis provoked by the loss. Although 'the ocean has taken it all away', he is ready to face life head-on again, and he is willing to hope again, to make himself vulnerable again. LMFFY reinforces that - even though we may crash and burn our hearts out, it is still worth it, for without that risk, we would never experience the times when we are 'flying'.

The reason I see it as an alternate storyline is twofold: (1) My personal existential POV and (2) What David himself said in an interview - that TLM displays open wounds, that life is not always sunshine and puppies. To me, ending one storyline with despair acknowledges that things don't always work out, that not everybody bounces back from loss, that sometimes loss is just ... inescapable loss. If TINTLT had followed immediately upon that, to me it would have been equivalent to saying to someone who is in the grip of grief "Don't worry, you'll feel better someday". Which may be true, but really denies the intensity and the necessity of that grief.

And in my opinion, ending with the grief in the main storyline also fits with the overall theme of TLM. The bracketing songs (Circadian and REM) are clearly about someone who is still in the midst of the grieving process, who in fact is overwhelmed by it to the extent that he just wants to escape his reality by losing himself in sleep. That fits in very neatly with the ending point of unbearable despair reflected in GTTG. (BTW, the wish to return to the dream world in REM is made so much more poignant by me if you realize that even in the dream world, the story ends in disaster. But the narrator still wants to return there, because it at least also includes reliving the hopeful parts, the parts that he has lost irrevocably in real life).

But of course, Cook being Cook, he couldn't leave it there. He did have to present us with the alternate storyline, the reminder that the despair of the main storyline is just one slice of reality, that human beings are incredibly resilient, that it is possible to claw your way back to hope, and that the sunshine can be worth the night you have to endure to get there. (Which BTW? Makes me incredibly curious about the lyrical content of Sunshine. Here's hoping that we get to hear it at some point in future).

So there you have it. I don't want to delve into it any deeper. There are many, many phrases in the lyrics that can be directly related to David's personal history, but I refuse to go there. I also don't want to explore the faith aspects of the existential crisis - you can read various parts of the lyrics as relating to religious beliefs or not, depending on your point of view.

Re Makeover "unseen"/"obscene" and "on the scene". Hmm. I definitely hear three "syllable sounds" at the end of each line, clearly hear "the" as the middle "syllable" for both, do not hear a "b" sound on the second line. Guess our ears are all different.

Regarding lack of discussion of This Loud Morning, I recall posting only once since the album was released, just a general explanation about how I incorporate the bonus songs in playing the album. The only lyrics I had ever "analyzed" were Paper Heart last year, and I made a comment after my very first listen on the stream, pre-release, about how the ending of GTTG had somewhat stunned me.

Since then, we have seen interviews and the "Making of" DVD in which David acknowledged the very personal, underlying emotion that colors virtually all of TLM, that it reflects primarily his grief, revealed that it was his therapy in his journey to recover from his loss. Regardless of the surface message of any song, we know he said his loss permeated his thoughts throughout his writing process. For myself now, there is a difference between trying to analyze the meaning of Paper Heart last August, when we first heard it a year ago with no background information, and analyzing it now, knowing for a fact what event, what emotion, David would later confirm shaped this album.

I think that it is impossible for me to not have the personal nature of these songs in my mind in discussing the lyrics of TLM. I've come to understand my reluctance, even resistance, to post about the songs' meanings here (sorry closeyoureyes). I realize now I haven't posted any thoughts because I have no desire, myself, in a public forum, to scrutinize or critique what are essentially his words, thoughts, emotions about his grieving process. I think I will confine myself to having this beautiful musical work wash over me, and feel what these songs say to me privately.

I don't expect anyone else to have this very narrow mindset. I'm just weird that way. It's simply my personal feeling about it, about how I've reacted to listening to TLM in toto, what it does to me, what it means to me, what I think it meant to David when he wrote it, how it might affect him now that it has been released.

Thanks to you guys I am beginning to get this song a lot better and forming ideas of my own. I am usually fairly good at figuring out what a song means to me at least, but with this one I had some kind of mental block.

CYE - Thanks for sharing where your screen name came from. I often wonder how some here picked their screen names and I never would have guessed it.

Once I decide what this all means to me, I'll share, but it may take a couple of days.

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